US Club Soccer presidential candidates forum

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    I hope it is cool that I post this stuff here.

    Six or seven years ago, I sought out info, eventually found these forums and it was how I learned more about youth soccer. So I thought, I might post some content. Even though it's not directly related to "Trouble in Elk Grove", this stuff directly affects us (for example birth year change, change in field sizes, how much coaching licenses cost and availability, etc.) as the mandates are given by the USSF.

    So, US Club Soccer just held a USSF Presidential Candidate's forum today that most of the candidates participated in (except of course, the old guardsmen, Gulati and Cardeiro). I'm sure the forum (when the audio becomes available) will be most relevant to the group of people that contribute/read this page. The February election is going to affect youth soccer (including DA, ECNL,) MLS, et al. Most of the candidates had insightful thoughts, including the value of HS soccer (Good) and Academies (Mixed Views).

    It is an exciting time and it will be good to hear the whole forum when they post the audio. In the meantime, I rather enjoyed this interview/podcast with Eric Wynalda recorded a couple days ago. Maybe you will too.

    http://343coaching.com/podcast/socc...eal-business-soccer-eric-wynalda-will-change/

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    Here is the audio from the US Club Soccer candidates Forum. Not for the feint of heart; it is four hours long (I don't know if I will care to get through all of it). From a political standpoint, its interesting to listen to their approach to becoming the potential leader of what might be a multi billion dollar industry in the US.
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    Great #metoo moment from Hope:

    Solo was asked about the general problem of sexual harassment in sports when she brought up Blatter:

    Do you think we are at a tipping point of change in society towards these issues? Do you believe the Pandora box has been opened? Everyone knew this was going on for years, in fashion, in sports, in business, but no one was talking about it.

    I had Sepp Blatter grab my ass.

    Sorry?

    You know Sepp Blatter?

    Of course.

    OK. I had Sepp Blatter grab my ass [turns towards her press assistant, Melinda Travis]. Can I talk about that? It was at the Ballon D’or one year [Solo presented the FIFA’s women’s player of the year award in January 2013 and shared the stage with the now disgraced former FIFA president], right before I went on stage... It’s been normalized.
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    There is the saying that the sun is the best disinfectant. I am glad Hope Solo is in the race! Hope has been publicly chastised and made an outcast due to various instances both on and off the pitch. Some story lines are fair game and some are not.
    What is great is that she seems to have the voice of someone who has nothing to lose and is not afraid of airing the dirty laundry. She's got the respect of many of her teammates and fans, including myself.
    In order to be an official candidate and show up on the first ballot, she needs to have three official nominations, It will be interesting which nominating parties are risking retribution (from SUM, Gulati, Cordeiro, etc.) for giving Hope Solo a high platform to push for change from a young woman athlete's perspective.
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    Great find thanks for the link...

    Though I do not agree with a number of his statements... putting on a 2 day summit absolutely does not have anything to do with running and building a large organization. He also says zero about the women’s game in fact he does not even interject the notion that any of his answers are thinking about the women’s side.

    To me he sounds like a candidate that is saying the right things (his ideas, as ideas, are very reeasonable... help all of us soccer not just the top tier). Not at all bad but with some areas I would ask questions about.

    My 2 cents

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    Is there a candidate you support? Genuinely curious to hear other POVs. I scanned the bios and no one really stood out (i.e. being a current board member of the federation is a ding for me, being an accomplished attorney doesn't automatically transfer to qualified to lead USSF). Anyone who was part of the disconnected-to-youth decisions board member raises concern of more of the same. It would be great to have a leader that truly drives youth development, growth, and empowers those locally endeavoring to do the same.

    Having and communicating a vision is a good start. I agree, it doesn't prove he has the fortitude to back it up...but I liked it and it's a great start. He didn't focus on the women, but his statements didn't exclude them. They broadly applied to soccer in general (access, regaining trust, serving players, etc..), and someones vision needs to encompass both programs.
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    I like the inclusiveness that he spoke of... a real problem in my mind is an organization the only serves the few that can be national team players thus acts simply like a big talent scout.

    I do not have a favorite candidate though agree an insider is not my preference.

    My two big tickets items are equality in growing the game... to me soccer has the unique ability to appeal equally to male and female athletes, players and fans and being more inclusive, humble and thoughtful in the approach to development.

    M Smith
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    https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/01/23/us-soccer-election-president-candidates-convention-gulati
    Interesting review of the conference. Highlights from the article:

    "Gulati called "nonsensical" as he discussed the vibes emanating from the campaign trail."

    "Then there was Sunil talking about wanting to debate all eight [candidates]. He has so little respect for the eight candidates in the race that he said he asked the convention organizers if he could debate all eight simultaneously, which would’ve been the greatest thing of all time. Whether or not you like Sunil or whether or not you think he made mistakes—I obviously think his control of the technical side of U.S. Soccer was poorly done and is the reason he shouldn’t run again—but he would’ve won that debate pretty easily. The eight candidates … there’s not a ton of inspiring substance coming from that side of the room."

    "There were a couple things that jumped out: obviously Wynalda claiming that the 2026 bid was jeopardy because of our noncompliance (with FIFA statutes). He made a good point though, too, which was talking about—and I agree with him—that our lack of participation in an open player market is a hindrance."

    "A lot of the candidates had ideas. Paul Caligiuri, for example, suggested that all high school coaches should be ODP scouts because obviously high school soccer gives you access to players you wouldn’t otherwise have in the academy system."

    "I forgot to mention the most interesting thing about the election stuff at the convention which was a brief moment during both Hope Solo’s and Eric Wynalda’s individual forums, which I was able to attend … Hope blamed the media, which was awesome. A lot of the problems in American soccer are our fault. So that was cool. "

    "they both at one point during conversations about Soccer United Marketing turned to the audience and asked people to raise their hand if they knew what Soccer United Marketing was...And I would say of the 1,000 people—and maybe people knew about SUM didn’t raise their hand—but combined, about maybe 10-12 people raised their hand. Out of 1,000!"
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    The "blame the media" trope is always good for a laugh and this one is a riot.
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    "A lot of the candidates had ideas. Paul Caligiuri, for example, suggested that all high school coaches should be ODP scouts because obviously high school soccer gives you access to players you wouldn’t otherwise have in the academy system."

    And this tells you all you need to know about US Soccer's belief in the Academy vs High School.

    If there is an unidentified player good enough to be considered for the national team, playing high school, where the coaching is terrible, and the level of play is weak, then either the Academy isn't worth the money, or playing high school isn't as bad as US Soccer seems to think it is.
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    It will be interesting to see what direction the new president gives. Candidates are suggesting that the DA is missing players because Hispanic kids think the MLS is garbage and the DA coaches all suck. But, these players play for their HS teams....which we no longer consider an identification platform.

    The irony is that the USSF says they are against "pay to play" and they are for community soccer development, and yet they don't support HS....which checks both boxes.
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    those are some interesting points, the last one having me scratching my head. If the USSF is against pay to play, why don't they mandate a cap on how much kids have to pay? Where is the finical aid that was promised for clubs to outreach to players that may need assistance? I highly doubt that hispanic kids think the DA sucks, when in fact it's probably one of the highest youth leagues in the USA. Now if you were to say that they don't resonate with the style of play that is apparent on the men's and women's side, then yes, I would agree with that.

    There is no "beautiful game" with USA soccer as a whole. Yes there are some clubs that play a great 'style' but the identity or brand has traditionally been a smash mouth kick the ball to your best athletes kind of play, not really conducive to Latin players that prefer a more possession style. The other thing is that most of the high powered clubs charge an insane amount and it's perceived that it's almost unaffordable (and in many cases it is).

    MLS DA academies are mostly fully funded with a lot of players paying pennies compared to the non-funded DA teams. Ask Earthquake boys how much they pay compared to De Anza, Ballistic, Bay Oaks. On the girls side, EQ seniors that are committed don't pay their senior year. You can't say the same for any other clubs in the Bay Area (or maybe there are and I've never heard of it). Bottom line is that it's about the bottom line in many of the clubs and Hispanic families just can't afford it. It'll be interesting to see if it changes in the next President's plan!
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    I'm really intrigued by something said here that I've heard elsewhere. This notion of "Latin players that prefer a more possession style." I'm a little curious what is meant by that and how much time people that say this have spent out on the fields of Hispanic leagues. In many communities there are pirate youth leagues with hundreds of the very players that are often referred to in these posts. Spend some weekends out there - watch, observe and listen. I think you will find anything but "possession" style soccer. It is direct, aggressive and physical. The coaches scream their heads off. The years I've spent coaching and on the sideline of these leagues and playing in the adult ones, showed me they were anything but "possession" style in the sense that is so often suggested here. They do not play a knock the ball around the pitch style. It is win the ball - go right at the defense - run by, dribble around or go through. Even combination play and flicks are direct. You don't see patient build up. It is get the ball, attack the goal - lose it, win it back. This shouldn't be a surprise. Liga MX is not La Liga in terms of style. Mexico doesn't play like Brazil. What it does do is help create players with 1 v 1 skill offensively and defensively - an aggressiveness and flair often lacking in American players. It is not because they play "possession" soccer in the sense we so often think of. In fact, these players often struggle when they go to club teams, not because the teams plays kick and run - the exact opposite. They want to go at the player in front of them and they are told that's not the way to play.
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    It's interesting take on the 1v1 and coaches telling kids to pass. about 10 years ago, I reading a soccer magazine and it was talking about the demise of US soccer as opposed to in other countries in the world. Here in the US the extra pass is praised, but in other parts of the world (they focused on Mexico and South america) they encourage kids to go at players, use their creativity and let the rest take care of itself. They said the exact same thing about American players how they are skilled enough or taught how to really go at players because of all the drills, "coaching", and times spent practicing rather than actually playing the game. They also said that the best players in these countries learned how to play, playing on the streets.

    The notion of possession style I was alluding to, was more at the national level and the DA. You have some great points, but on the flip side, the soccer I've watched and played in these communities was mostly trying to possess AND play with the flair you were talking about.
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    EQ boys don’t even pay for their snacks; girls pay $3,600 in just fees. Travels $$$$$$ more. EQ senior girls get their travel paid IF they agree not to play high school. I think they still pay fees. And of course most girls want to play hs their senior year, especially if they’ve given it up the rest of high school. I suspect EQ didn’t have to pay anything toward the girls this season, they even had to cancel games because the seniors were all playing hs. So very few to none of them got their travel paid for.
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    All (or most) of the EQ seniors decided to play high school this year and are not paying for senior year of plying EQ. Not sure where you got that information. I know next year, from what I've been hearing, they won't have that option...Free or not free. They still have a lot of travel in North Carolina, San Diego, Oregon/Washington. But you're right, the boys side doesn't pay squat for what they get but it's because it's subsidized fully through EQ and from what I heard from a different DA coach, they have rights to sign them after college.
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    Interesting. At the parent info meeting we were told it was only paid for if they fully committed to the EQ team and skipped hs soccer. Guess that got backed off. Thanks for the info
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    I’ll happily give them the right to sign my daughter.
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