TRYOUTS 2018

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  1. Bulldog

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    It will be interesting at tryouts this year with the new tryout window. It will be difficult this time around for families to to shop around and for clubs get a jump start on other clubs.
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    Other than tryouts happening in a different month, how are they different?
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    Can't be any worse than the age change when it went to calendar year
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    From what I've observed in the past seasons (at least in the South Bay), parents/players/coaches don't care about tryout windows. Players participate in training sessions with their prospective teams and then go from there. They may join that new team during the winter break or postpone till summer. This of course is not what NorCal has mandated but it is what it is.
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    You are not supposed to practice with another team or attend any session that is used for "player selection" according to the new NorCal's rule. Outside the tryout window, you have to obtain permission from current club's DOC for it.

    However, there is nothing stopping you from participating another club's training session as long as it's not for player selection at the moment, I guess. I don't see how NorCal would be able to enforce this rule.
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    Norcal can't enforce that rule.

    You'll notice that the penalties are all on the clubs, not on the players. And what DOC is going to say no?

    The clubs don't own the players, and the one thing US Soccer has right is that they don't allow them to.
  7. MrSmith

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    NorCal is really pushing clubs to not “tryout/evaluate/sign” players outside tryouts windows because of all the issues discussed at length on the forums.

    To this end to train/tryout/etc for a different NorCal club a player must have permission of curent DOC or the club they are trying out for can get in serious trouble with NorCal.. thus clubs should not be trying out players outside a tryout window with the players current doc approval so they avoid NorCal trouble.

    But. So what does they mean for players who want to move or going to DA programs???

    As has been indicated the club nor NorCal owns a player. NorCal makes rules to encourage club fair play but a player can always clearly quit their current club and then tryout. This is an obvious risk as if they do not make it they might be stuck. They would need to be clear about quitting prior to contacting another club as the club they want to play for will want to avoid NorCal issues.
    I personally might not recommend this unless a player is absolutely sure on a move as it would likely burn bridges and may not be needed if one has the patience to wait to may and of course is risky.

    What about US Soccer? They have been clear that NorCal policy does apply to players moving to DA teams. But NorCal in turn has basically said if clubs have NorCal teams along with DA teams they will still punish your club. Not sure I agree with norcal’s heavy handed stance here but I see where it is coming from some clubs will have DA tryouts to avoid NorCal rules while really looking to sign players to non-DA teams.

    But...

    The nice thing is the tryout window is coming up, every club will be holding tryouts in the same window and you can take your child to any tryout, NorCal and us soccer agree on this. Should be no mystery every club in northern CA will be having tryouts for every team so look up the club then find their tryout window and own your child’s direction, no one should say you can’t.

    I would suggest parents should be careful of clubs making them sign to hold a spot before tryouts as this is effectively a simple ploy to get players to not look around. Clubs that put repercussions on trying out in tryout windows, to me, likely have something to hide and should be avoided. Signing up because on can prior to tryouts seems fine but putting big strings on the signing seems wrong. NorCal code of ethics says clubs cannot hold players accountable for services not rendered (no one should have to pay a year in advance etc, our current club plays monthly and if a player leaves or joins prorated the fees, paying a year in advance to hold a spot or forcing one to pay to leave is just wrong).

    * disclosure... our family has changed clubs 3 times total.... after first year of club soccer, before the season.. the outgoing club was personally super nasty but did nothing to prevent a move. Next was no issue also between seasons, club was good with player pursuing opportunities. Third was based on tryout in tryout window, old club’s coach was indignant about player going to a tryout, which told us immediately that that team and coach was not a good place to be. Very happy with current club.

    Overall we have pursed the best coaching and training in all our moves. Measuring with the thought... between two teams... if one played on each for a year, which team would be harder to change to... if after playing on team A for a year one would one expect it to be harder than it currently is make team B, if so then that is likely the wrong direction. Obviously a judgment call but provides a good way to think about level of training and play required by and provided by each program. (Maybe more technically figure out how steep the technical training curve is and find the steepest you child can keep up with and have fun at the same time, assuming the goal is to play the best soccer possible in the best program, if your child’s key important items are different then again assess the two or more clubs honestly by how each fulfills what you are looking for)

    My... well... 10 cents

    M Smith
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    If a parent ever pushes to have a player move outside of a window, I am confident the parent will win. However, unless the kid is extremely unhappy with his/her current team (extremely - not just because of better opportunities but something deeper), I really question the ethics of the parent. Obviously our primary responsibility is to our own child/ren but when a parent agrees to have his/her kid play on a team for a specific period of time, that is a commitment not just to the club but to each and every kid on that team. I have been involved in discussions where someone wanted to leave mid-stream and the argument is always, "don't punish the kid" - well, an entire roster is being negatively impacted (or potentially so) when a player leaves. The issue is always more complex than one single kid and two specific clubs.

    I am respectful of the tryout windows and when my kid moved clubs, we honored those (even back then when her current club held tryouts about 3 weeks after her old club - we told the person who would have been her coach that she was going to be checking out another club so he could make roster decisions with that in mind). If my other kids were ever to move, we'd do the same unless they were so unhappy to be considering giving up the sport (in which case, it would not come as a surprise to their current club as I'd have gotten them involved). As I said above, our primary responsibilities ARE to our own child(ren) but part of that is teaching them to honor their commitments. No player is going to lose her national team slot or college scholarship because she waited until May to move to her new U14 team.
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    I think (no facts, completely my opinion) that this maybe the most interesting tryout season in recent history...

    - All clubs (including DA effectively based on norcal stance) have tryouts in the same window, so parents can go to any club and a know when the tryout window is (very easy for folks who do not live and breathe soccer, unlike the folks on this board)

    - Norcal has effectively said (though one can read the statement in a few ways but it seems reasonably plain), that players can tryout for any club during the window without issues (or repercussion). This really puts pressure on the clubs to allow players to try out and not be negative or nasty about a player/family looking around at other programs*

    - Since this is the only tryout window and Norcal makes it harder for moves during the rest of the year parents may feel the need to really visit a number of clubs as this is their "window" to move or look around without extraordinary efforts later in the year.

    So I would hope families understand the opportunity and investigate their options, even if they end up where they started, there should be no penalty (well I should emphasize "should" as I know there are coaches who will pre-empt the window and say a player is being disloyal if they look anywhere else.). There are few programs in the area, in my opinion, that are so amazing that it is not worth at least a thought thinking about different options.

    * hopefully this means programs understand that they are being compared and they need to do their best to build a good program.

    Last note... Norcal detail on recruiting ethics is interesting, it clearly states that clubs cannot contact players outside the tryout window (which I thought was a given) but by explaining it that way it also pretty clearly opens up the counter reading which says now with the window clubs can contact players directly during the window (otherwise the statement would have been always not just limited to the window). I think a number of folks who may actually read their email will (likely correctly) understand that coaches can reach out to key players at other clubs during the tryout window.

    Lastly... this is so tame compared to Texas where opposing coaches will talk to other team's players on the field after a game and ask them to come to their club. Definitely the wild west for club soccer recruiting.

    Just my two cents...

    M. Smith
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    What's the problem with letting kids leave a club whenever they want to, provided their fees are paid up? These restrictive movement rules are only there to protect clubs, not the players...
  12. MrSmith

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    The problem is the clubs... go down to Texas, or not quite as bad, SoCal. Parents we know who moved from here say Texas is truly the Wild West with coaches approaching opposing players on the field right after games to try to lure them to their clubs.

    While I am not sure the current limits are this best it seems like better than Wild West mode. Basically the rules prevent clubs talking to players without asking first. If the current club does not want the player to talk to the new club they can say no. The player can then of course leave the current club if they want a change. Also dissuades players from just jumping club to club during the season and disrupting teams (though still can if the want)

    Now with a single tryout window everyone should realize it is the right time to look at options... staying where they are (all good) go to club tryouts (all good) move teams or clubs (also all good).

    Again not sure it is best but seems like in the end the players can do what they really want and the clubs are restricted and must effectively maintain a team throughout a year... no bringing in replacement players every week. There can be small changes but not likely constant ones.

    I am most concerned (maybe the wrong word) by clubs and coaches who are making players resign prior to the window in order to “save their spot” or telling them they cannot try out or they are in trouble if they do... my daughter went through that and it sucked for a coach to be that personally manipulative and nasty, which was in the end was a huge factor in her final choice.

    My personal 2 cents

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