Trouble in Elk Grove?

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  1. EastGroveCoach

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    Rec doesn't pay for year round soccer is funny. I said the same line as that is what the brass wants you to believe. If they say it enough times it must be true, right?

    Rec is about 30% of total revenue and year round is just above 50% of the total revenue. The remainder is other revenue makers like camp, uniforms, etc.

    So how does more than 50% of the total revenue get spent on staff/coach salaries? Add the other costs of year round (fields, lights, admins) and it clearly dips into the rec revenue.

    Those "in the know" should be able to answer that.
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  2. EastGroveCoach

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    It will never happen. The egos in charge MUST leave the club in a better position than when they started. They have dug a giant hole to get out of. Until they get the soccer complex built with THEIR name on it don't expect anyone of them to step away anytime soon. Those ego have spun 3 new soccer clubs since they took over. Yet they still act like it's never the better.

    How many times did I hear "it's war with IR" or "RM is going to loose his ass." That's the attitude of YOUR coaches, making sure the kids of the other clubs are destroyed to fill your ego hat.
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    San Juan had a good showing at the Davis Showcase. The 06 and 05 SJ met in the final. This was good game to watch. I'm sure both enjoyed playing each other.
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    My guess would be that the 06s (parents and girls) enjoyed it more than the 05s. :)
    But a good showing for SJ indeed.
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    I was away for several weeks and thought I would check this message board after getting back to see what has been going on. I don't know if being so quiet is good or bad? I am going to guess things have settled way down in EG and the area? I asked some friends I know and not a peep?! All business now I guess.
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    Same stuff, kids running away from the biggest club in Nor cal. The crap show has bleed down to the rec side. Some teams had over a dozen schedule revisions in the 48 hours before the first game. Teams have 3 bye weeks in a row. Even more disturbing is the lack of care for the kids. Many teams playing 9v9 have 18 kids. 11v11 teams carrying 18+, one team has 20 kids. So much for equal and at least 50% game time as promised in the bylaws. You should get better and reduce your mistakes year over year not continue to screw the families of EG. It wasn't always this bad but the new regime likes the rec money but not the headaches those rec families bring.

    Rise up and look for other rec options they are out there and offer way more including a free uniform kit ($9.99 cost) that some charge over $30 for.
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    Wonder why “FC” was dropped from FC Elk Grove? Now, everything (both comp and rec) is called" Elk Grove Soccer." The designation of Platinum, Elite, or Premier have also been dropped from team names and been replaced with the initials of the coach. Perhaps a recognition that some Platinum teams are not exactly platinum level and so forth. Maybe both comp and rec teams will transition into using the same uniforms.

    Anyone go on the "Elk Grove Soccer" website lately? Practically no mention of a competitive program. Same with the club’s by laws. No listing of teams (see Gotsoccer for the teams) and no listing of coaches.
    In clicking around the website, I stumbled across the club’s rec schedule. (By accidentally clicking on “Sign Up Now” of all things. LOL) In looking to see how many rec teams there are, I noticed that at the 2010 level for both boys and girls there appears to be a few Elk Grove comp teams playing rec. There are two levels listed for each age group in rec. Wonder if the comp teams are in the higher or lower rec level. Either way, pathetic that the comp teams are playing rec to begin with.

    I guess dropping “FC” was the first step in becoming the biggest rec soccer club in Northern California, and where all its teams get snacks and do the tunnel after each game!
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    Here we go again. Totally ignorant statements and incorrect information. Find something better to fill your time. Boring.
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    What part is ignorant? Seems more of a repeat statement of what has been going on for the past few years. Look back to last year and you will see that yes, the year round (comp) teams are playing with the rec teams.

    Same goes for the lack of info on their website, they want to control the narrative. Top level clubs aren't scared to post their coaches, nothing to hide or worry about. When you loose hundreds of players each year and a dozen teams each year you have to hide the bleeding.

    Everyone inside the league will tell you it's great because they have a house payment riding on it or they have an ego so big they cannot admit failure. Each year since the lads from England decided that they know more about football the number have declined yet they still ride sinking British ship.

    So it's ignorant because??
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    Lol. Definition of ignorant from Merriam-Webster:


    1a: destitute of knowledge or education

    also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

    b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence

    2: UNAWARE, UNINFORMED


    Does that help you understand? Maybe they want to control the narrative to stop idiotic rumors being spread. Limit the information, limit the number of morons making up theories about anything and everything to do with the club. Either way, it's up to them to decide how much information they share - develop all the theories you want as to why. It still doesn't make you correct or factual.

    Trawling children's soccer websites in your spare time looking for dirt, gossip and conspiracy theories where are there none and then posting about it on an annoymous forum is frankly, creepy.
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    Pretty hard to argue FC Elk Grove isn't a shell of its former self. They're no longer a presence in NorCal. Can't say I'm sorry to see it happen to those parents... but feel for the kids.

    I see only 1 team, in the entire club, ranked in the Top 10... both boys and girls.
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    Also, I've read many of your posts and I find your repeated ethnocentrism towards the British disturbing and I'm surprised it's allowed on the forum to be honest..
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    I totally agree that there are a lot of unsubstantiated theories as to why certain clubs, including Elk Grove Soccer, do what they do and that folks often misinterpret their actions. But some of the statements made earlier are factually correct. Again, I won’t pretend to understand or theorize the rationale for them.

    FACT: The teams are no longer referred to by a particular level, such as Platinum 1 or Elite 1. My daughter plays for Elk Grove Soccer and our team name was changed a couple of months ago in TeamConnect to remove the level (Platinum) and insert the initials of the coach.

    FACT: FC was removed from FC Elk Grove Soccer. Just look at the website.

    FACT: There are comp teams playing in recreational soccer. Go to the recreational schedule for 2010 Girls Orange. Look at teams listed and you will see three comp teams: 2010G Miller, 2010G Shimi, and 2010G Romo. Just look at the names of the 2010 girls comp coaches on the Elk Grove Soccer website and you will see that their last names match the teams. My friend’s daughter plays rec in this age group and confirmed that they had to play these comp teams and that this was no secret.

    Again, you can argue about the rationale or theories behind the above statements but you can’t argue that they are not factually correct.
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    I totally agree that there are a lot of unsubstantiated theories as to why certain clubs, including Elk Grove Soccer, do what they do and that folks often misinterpret their actions. But some of the statements made earlier are factually correct. Again, I won’t pretend to understand or theorize the rationale for them.

    FACT: The teams are no longer referred to by a particular level, such as Platinum 1 or Elite 1. My daughter plays for Elk Grove Soccer and our team name was changed a couple of months ago in TeamConnect to remove the level (Platinum) and insert the initials of the coach.

    FACT: FC was removed from FC Elk Grove Soccer. Just look at the website.

    FACT: There are comp teams playing in recreational soccer. Go to the recreational schedule for 2010 Girls Orange. Look at teams listed and you will see three comp teams: 2010G Miller, 2010G Shimi, and 2010G Romo. Just look at the names of the 2010 girls comp coaches on the Elk Grove Soccer website and you will see that their last names match the teams. My friend’s daughter plays rec in this age group and confirmed that they had to play these comp teams and that this was no secret.

    Again, you can argue about the rationale or theories behind the above statements but you can’t argue that they are not factually correct.
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    I'm not arguing that some of the information is factually correct. (Perhaps I mispoke in my original comment). My post was referring to the rationale or theories being put foward about the information and the assumption that those theories are factually correct.

    I don't know (nor do I pretend to - unlike some on here) if those 'comp' teams playing rec you are referring to are actually comp teams. I thought (and again this is NOT factual - it's just my understanding and *shock* *horror* I could be wrong) that some of the paid coaches are coaching some rec teams this year in the absence of any volunteer coaches. Just looking at names on a website doesn't answer that question.

    Either way I find the whole thing tiresome. The constant arguing back and forth about which club is superior and why. I get really turned off by negative selling. If you want me to buy your product, focus on yourself. Convince me why YOUR product is worth my time and investment. Show me what YOU can do for me. I'm not interested in hearing from you about why I shouldn't buy from someone else. Focus on your own strengths and not on someone else's weaknesses.
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    All one needs to do if interested, go to Norcal site and count the "FCEG" team numbers. Yes they have
    changed to Elk Grove Soccer, but still there are very few young teams competing in Norcal.

    Not sure if younger "comp" teams are playing rec, but whatever they tell parents and charge them is
    their business. From a comp standpoint, the club is a shadow compared to 2-3 years ago. And so what?
    That is their business.
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    I am glad the FC was removed. I remember sitting in the coaches meeting trying to figure out if we were Futbol or Football club and what pronunciation they would use. This club was ruined long ago by parents and leaders. Leaders with no backbone and parents pushing their kids agenda through the board and DOCs
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    Seems like FC Elk Groove has ultimately turned into a mostly rec and 3rd level comp club just like the Fremont Soccer Club at which the "CEO" had his previous gig. About the only FCEG girls team that's still somewhat "elite" is the U17 Ormsby: https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2248103
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  19. EastGroveCoach

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    You don't know and that is fact. I do know. The decision was made for the YDA comp teams to play in the fall rec league since they do not have a playing league for the YDA players. Parents would sign the kids up in the spring, pay $100 a month and then stop paying in the fall. They watched the YDA kids go play rec soccer in the fall and lost out on 4 or 5 months of YDA fees. So they offered the YDA kids a team to play in the fall rec league. Parents and kids get real games and this the monthly fees keep flowing in.

    Yep I know about as much as the English know about football.

    As El Tri said, the CEO and Board have their agenda and it's helped two additional clubs in town become bigger than their own. Nice work!
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    I guess dude isn't at Elk Grove Soccer anymore?

    https://www.fresnofc.com/news_artic...roduces-andrew-donnery-as-pdl-u23s-head-coach

    "FRESNO, Calif. – Fresno Football Club has announced today the hiring of Andrew Donnery as the organization’s head coach for the U-23s Premier Development League side. Donnery replaces previously announced assistant coach Gordon Young, who has resigned to take an assistant role with Scottish Championship side Falkirk FC and the Scottish Football Association.
    “I’m delighted to welcome Andrew to our technical staff,” said Fresno FC head coach Adam Smith. “He holds a tremendous amount of knowledge in the game and has experience from around the globe. He understands the game of soccer at an extremely high level and I’m confident he will do a great job with our U23s.”

    Donnery has extensive soccer experience, as a pro player and coach both in England and the United States. He played as a youth for Liverpool and Everton, in college at Coastal Carolina University, and later professionally for the USL Pro Wilmington Hammerheads. After his playing career, Donnery worked for several organizations including California Youth Soccer Association’s Cal North, the International Olympic Committee and as the director of operations for the University of California, Berkeley's soccer programs. He also coached the Bermuda U17 boys national team at the 2014 Cup of Nations tournament in Mexico and during the U17 World Cup Qualifiers. Most recently, he served as CEO and Academy Director of Elk Grove Soccer near Sacramento."


    If he is gone, what a legacy:
    Hired in 2014. At that time the club's revenue and assets:
    Elk Grove Soccer:
    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2014
    Total Assets: $458,403.00
    Total Revenue: $1,988,593.00

    And Today:
    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2017
    Total Assets: $158,185.00
    Total Revenue: $1,580,431.00

    What a boost to clubs within driving distance:
    Sacramento United:
    Accounting Period End Date: 3/31/2014
    Total Assets: $249,951.00
    Total Revenue: $1,020,668.00

    Accounting Period End Date: 3/31/2017
    Total Assets: $830,059.00
    Total Revenue: $1,556,089.00

    San Juan:
    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2014
    Total Assets: $531,641.00
    Total Revenue: $1,482,397.00

    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2017
    Total Assets: $3,455,432.00
    Total Revenue: $1,808,531.00

    Davis:
    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2014
    Total Assets: $869,526.00
    Total Revenue: $1,707,922.00

    Accounting Period End Date: 12/31/2017
    Total Assets: $1,500,158.00
    Total Revenue: $2,344,137.00
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