Trouble in Elk Grove?

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  1. ElTri

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    I think this is also true for youngers, looked like lower numbers across the board at most clubs in the region. The 15 month season and now year round for youngers didn't help and will be a big reason for more drop off in the future.
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    The numbers certainly were down at older tryouts. I think Elk Grove across the board is losing players quickly. I know there were Elk Grove kids at Sac United, Union FC, and San Juan, kids who had played at FC Elk Grove and IR last year.
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    It was by far the best post on here in over a year, maybe longer. It was absolute truth about soccer in Elk Grove. More people would understand what is going on in town with that kind of info.

    Hell I would copy your words and post it myself but that would be illegal and I am not a con artist or criminal.
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    Truly a shame that EG talent is choosing to play outside EG. How strong would EG be if all the kids played in their home town.
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    It is very unfortunate. I think that it is a combination of watering down the teams with so many clubs vying for players; and parents with the win win attitude instead of understanding player growth.
    I also think with all the chaos in Elk Grove they have failed to develop players. The select system developed players and the comp program poached players.
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    I don’t totally agree with that. I do believe that the competitive clubs developed the players which is why these players are going outside of Elk Grove to the bigger clubs. If they’re getting spots, they received the training. I do agree that those parents become about the win.
    However, in regards to the select clubs, isn’t the way it’s suppose to work is rec develops kids to be ready for the next level, select, and the select clubs job is to develop the kids for their next level, comp? If players are hoping to get to the next level and work hard, it’s the coaches jobs to push them to the next level when they’ve trained them and prepared them.
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    I agree that is how it should work, but money is involved. Clubs add more teams and kids play at levels they shouldn't be at so coaches can make a living.
    A system of development should work that way but the Program should have structure. At certain ages kids should learn to pass and receive (basics), then move to positioning and player movement, and then it is about the game. These should be Programs not Clubs and Parent Coaches need help developing their teaching skills and knowledge of the game. There really is no true Program to move kids from level to level. Coaches pick the best athletes and advance them even before kids hit puberty and develop skills. That is why when they line kids up at tryouts and have them do the 40 yd dash you know the Program is in trouble.
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    Years ago Elk Grove soccer consisted of a Recreation and Select Program and then Elk Grove Everton as a separate entity. The Select Program was producing very successful teams and they were winning and competing at the comp level. All this was done with Volunteer Coaches, no fancy licenses but soccer knowledge. With the talent level falling off at Everton and struggling financially they approached to Elk Grove Board to save them. I remember the lead up when one of those board members came to a select coaches meeting apologizing to us that they had excluded Select teams from their tournament. Select Teams that had won the Everton tournament the year before had been excluded the following year. A couple months later those same people were preaching the positive of joining forces and forming FC Elk Grove.

    At first I thought that it would be very beneficial to the Select Program. They talked about searching everywhere for a DOC. Thoughts went thru my head about someone from DeAnza, SoCal Real, San Juan, Surf. Then the news came they had chosen someone from Elk Grove Everton. I could not believe with the money they were offering that was the best they could get. I should have know when one of the Elk Grove Everton coaches who presented to us this great new club decided to stay with the Everton holdouts instead of coming to FC Elk Grove.

    I have to admit that the DOC of old CP had a descent vision. He implemented a common language for our teams and he implemented 3-4 different formations that the teams would use at the Select and Comp levels. This allowed for players to guest play and make the transition from team to team. His problem was that overtime all he was about was the comp teams and making money for himself and his buddy coaches. He paid little attention to the select and recreation teams, he forgot where his money really came from. CP was a soccer guy but not a business man.

    Then the search for a new DOC was on. Again I know there were people from Rage and De Anza inquiring about this position, but somehow we ended up with the guy from Fremont Soccer Club. Has anyone heard of the Fremont Soccer Club? or has anyone ever seen a Fremont team at a big tournament? It gets better he is the head of the Bahamas National Team. I didn't even know the Bahamas had a team. It had to be the accent that fooled everyone. Anyway, the new DOC is hired and next thing you know he has three jobs. He is the CEO for FC Elk Grove, He coaches a U23 team at FC Fresno, and he is a professor at University of Delaware (Oh and he coaches 2-3 teams at FC Elk Grove). This is not a soccer guy this is an entrepreneur. There is no way to devote himself to FC Elk Grove if he has all thes other responsibilities ( I forgot to mention he still lives in the Bay Area). So now the club has a business man not a soccer man.

    Elk Grove Soccer was the strongest when it was a Select Program. The coaches were out for the kids and not the dollar. When money got involved I personally know several talented Hispanic kids that fell off the radar because their families couldn't afford it. To be honest for many of these kids soccer used to be fun, they could play at a high level but also play another sport if they wanted to. That is important, if you look at the most successful recruits FC Elk Grove has had recently ( I am talking big D1 schools) they started as select players who played multiple sports through High School.
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    There WERE plenty of coaches inside these clubs that knew how to train kids for development. Past tense.... The reason these kids left Elk Grove is not to find a bigger club it's to find a quality club. These parents see the crap show that these soccer experts have sold to the people of Elk Grove.
    A bigger club? Isn't a US Soccer Development Academy (USDA) team pretty high on the soccer level to consider your club BIG? Thats how the club sells how good they are. "Check out our DA program" or "we have the highest level of play with the DA program"
    Am I wrong or did you miss that part of the song and dance?
    So then why did all these kids leave town?
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    I know that the initial migration from FC Elk Grove, when it started back in 07-08, was because some families had already left the Elk Grove Everton Club and didn't want anything to do with CP when he came over; and many of the quality select coaches (who had developed comp level teams) were not offered coaching positions so their teams left with them.
    Maybe I am naive but I do not see the turn around so much at other clubs. I see SacU, Davis, Mustang, and De Anza ,to name a few, developing teams and the kids have been on these teams for years. My kids know who they are going to match up against when they play these clubs.
    I really believe that other Clubs to a much better job than FC Elk Grove in explaining that soccer development is a process. There have been too many parents in Elk Grove who don't understand the game of soccer and think it is only about winning. My kids had been offered spots at SacU at different ages when we went to their tryouts for the fun of it ( I have never had a thing for the club jumpers, so I stayed true to FC EG), When my youngest was there they did a great job in explaining that it was not about winning at this age it was about developing and that when you are at the 13-14 ages winning becomes more important. I have watched good coaches in EG given winning kick and run teams. They have gone in and tried to make the kids better soccer players and the results were not always a win but a quality soccer match. The next thing you know parents are pissed because they are on a 5oo team and they are complaining about the coach. The club of course folds and gives in to these parents. Then the kids run off to "winning clubs" not realizing that when they made the team it was thanks to the skills that coach developed. FC Elk Grove in the last couple of years has had 4-5 coaches I believe are really top notch and all but 1 are gone.
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    There was a meeting with staff, brass and coaches not too long ago. In the meeting a question was asked by the CEO to all the coaches in attendance (comp coaches only).

    "Who is the best trainer inside our club?"

    There was four names that came out from their coaching peers, Rey, Rafa, Nacho and Tim. These coaches deserve that kind of respect. Not one DOC, Technical Director or CEO was mentioned. Not one of the four above mentioned names are still with the club. Their peers set their fate when they put these four coaches on a platform above the CEO. The kids don't need a quality trainer they need a quality program, right?

    The whole development over winning is just a salesman job of getting your money. If the team looses they can always fall back and say, "we told you its about development." However they have to win and promote the winning teams as this is the only way to get more players. Look at the social media posts. Notice the banners hanging, all about winning. You don't see pictures of coaches appreciation night or pictures of team bonding events, which for the kids are usually fun filled. You do see the very small handful of college signees, which has gone way down with the new development style.

    Parents that know will take a 2nd or 3rd team SJ, Davis or SacU team, (heck even Union got two players from Elk Grove this year) has they know those clubs have a solid path going forward unlike what's in town.
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    A volunteer year round coach told his parents "you are all crazy to pay $500 a year for soccer when it's nothing more than the $100 rec program with travel."

    80% of those kids didn't return to year round soccer. Three went back to the cheaper rec program and the others just moved along in life. Maybe those parents are reading these posts and saying, NO THANK YOU!
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    This is really close, but not entirely accurate. One the challenges was Select Coaches were not interested in seeing their star players advance to the next level, Everton. This caused problems. By forming FC Elk Grove, coaches were encouraged to see their stars advance upward.

    There are other details that aren't quite correct, but for the most part, it is spot on. For example, the notion that Rec paid for FC is entirely false. It's a very common misconception, and I'd hear it all the time. Also, CP didn't ignore rec. He committed resources to help coaches. Furthermore, coaches at all levels were required to obtain licenses and improve their teaching skills.

    Also, no one was ever turned away because they couldn't afford it. There was a healthy scholarship fund pool; and it was used (and abused by some.)

    Good post though. :)
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    Today is seems FC or Elk Grove Youth Soccer is synonymous with 'Money Grab'. It's too bad in my opinion, as the Mission and Vision of the organization was really top notch at it's inception and a few years following. Then egos got in the way, and it went spiraling down. Again, it's too bad, as it was a really good program.
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    I think one of the problems I mentioned was why would families want to go pay monthly dues at Everton if they were on teams that were beating Everton Teams. As for Hispanic families falling off the Radar, I know of two families that thought they were playing on scholarship and got bills at the end of the year for $750 that they couldn't pay. They all went over to Real Sacramento, go look and see how many of the Hispanic kids there live and should be playing in Elk Grove. Not to mention the girls team that won a National Tournament and were told they had to become a comp team. They all went to Real Sacramento. Instead of being celebrated they were told they had to pay for their success. The Notion that the Rec pays for comp is actually true. Look at the revenue the Rec and "Select" teams generate. FC Elk Grove couldn't pay for fields, coaches, tournaments, referees, CEO and Staff just on the revenue from the comp program. I had dinner with a coach at Mustang and he said that they rely on the support of their rec programs (granted they pay like $500) to help pay for their comp programs. Every club does. CP neglecting the rec and select teams is completely correct. He spoke to and socialized with his comp staff. He had employed more family and friends than I thought possible in the comp program. Not to mention I never saw him or more than 1 or 2 comp coaches every watching select teams play. Which should be important in the promotion process if you are practicing it. I guarantee you less than 50% of the Rec coaches knew who CP or RM were. In reality getting an F license really doesn't help you become a better coach. If you had never played the game of soccer it was a great benefit to learn a couple of drills but they probably could go to youtube and find better.
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    Sounds like you're "in the know". But still, rumors. Unless you were on the board, or a FC coach, it's likely your info is 2nd hand. I can't tell you how much mis-information I used to hear. It was astounding! People will believe just about anything if it plays to their narrative. Clearly, Public Relations was not EGYSL's strength.

    But I see no need to debate or correct each of your points. Serves no purpose. What's in the past is in the past. Like I said, it's too bad the experiment didn't pan out. It was good while it lasted.

    Have a good season. :)
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    i sat in many of those eg select meetings with chris at the front - and the mantra was always, "we are just as good or better than everton", and in many cases, it was true and he was right. many very good players' parents were more than happy to keep their kid with a good volunteer coach and pay way less money to play "select" and be successful (and beat everton teams in some cases).

    egysl told everton they could roll in with them as fceg or go on their own. a small amount of everton (aka eg united) coaches with art, went on their own and we all know the story there. cesar of course got the buddy egysl nod even with a stack of more qualified applicants from around the county and in some cases the world! i recall looking at the applicants being very impressed, but they went with the local jc coach over experienced international club directors that applied! andy had skipped in from fremont to carry on the total world domination plan, but by that time the board was totally gone, already on a huge power trip, we are going to take over the world course of action. all about power and money. i skipped over some things, but those that were around know what i am talking about. many people don't even know that eg united was the original everton either. that is when danny boy was around! going back now huh?

    if there could ever be a single well run club "with the kids' best interest at the core", eg could have one of the strongest youth soccer organizations in the entire country. sorry to say, with most of the people involved today, it would be impossible. too many egos and definitely too much money involved to do what would be best for the kids and the community.

    so by the time a kid has been trained to play some decent soccer, many bolt off to another club outside of eg. but hey, those at egysl still keep the cash coming in and cash their checks every month since so many more will always come through their huge rec program which is a huge cash cow.
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    I have a feeling one of the people responding who is "in the know" must have been an Everton person. Otherwise they would never have thought of moving from EG Select to Everton was a move up. I remember the coaches meeting at Strikes when CP presented his plan or having us all go to CRC for him to give us his playbook that looked very similar to the 'Everton Way" Somewhere the whole process went sideways. They just have not been able to find the soccer guy that understands the business part. They certainly had some talented coaches and for what ever reason they were chased away.
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    Wait a minute, Elk Grove United was Everton, which was Elk Grove United before that? Can someone explain this please or make sense of the history? I knew there once was an Everton, but Everton before that was Elk Grove United, which is now still around as Elk Grove United? No wonder Elk Grove soccer is a complete mess!

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