Trouble in Elk Grove?

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  1. NoLeftFoot

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    Who? Just PM me to keep it private. If not, I'm sure I'll find out eventually.
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    This is going to be another sh*tstorm, especially if people see anyone other than EG Rec on those fields (including FCEG).
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    Does EGS really need all that field space? What are their Rec membership numbers, seems like they have 3 times the fields and time slots than they should need. Side note, it was FCEG that horded all that CSD field space so no Comp clubs/teams could use, not even FCEG!

    Seems like BSP will get some rest as well. I cannot imagine that EGS will have that many teams in their Rec program to use all of those blocks of timeo_O

    Elk Grove Soccer - July 2017 Training Schedule:

    Team Field Times Days
    U6B Cry Babies BSP 3 & 4 5:30 to 8:30 M, Tu, W, Th, F
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  5. EastGroveCoach

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    The last time Elk Grove Soccer sent an email it was full of great info. First that June 15th was the final day of $99 registration so maybe the late birds are paying for the fields at BSP?

    Looks like they added some new positions, age group coordinators, for rec soccer I guess. Most of the names look to be new (not listed as board members) and probably getting ready to remove those club names and make everyone play for Elk Grove Soccer. Interesting that they did this in June when the AGM was back in December. Guessing it's another smoke and mirrors situation. AD making soccer in Elk Grove great again!

    The reason everyone is locked out of BSP is CSDs fault, not Elk Grove Soccer. If CSD would have let FCEG pull off one of the many attempts to "out smart" the process we wouldn't be here, sort of. Everything from filing the DOC's as their own program (so each would get a pick per round) to picking fields under a rec program and hope that no one notices.

    You think with all the teams lost, the high overhead of an office location, full time professional office staff and plenty of VISA's to pay for they have the cash for the rec program to play at BSP? They don't want to give the fields up so expect some crazy plan with smoke, mirrors and maybe a clown on a bike.

    You all took the fields from AD in the winter and spring and now it's his turn to pay you back with a smile and a cool accent "cheers mate!"
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    Sorry but you might have missed it, I am not very good with these forum pages. PM? What's that?
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    Slow day at work

    By ranking is FC still the top girls club in Elk Grove and is BH moving past IR.


    Elk Grove Top Girls teams 07-03.




    07 Girls

    17 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [207]

    27 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [323]

    57 IR ACADEMY WHITE JUNIOR [607]

    65 IR ACADEMY WHITE PD [694]





    06 Girls

    7 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [138]

    19 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [187]

    74 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [830]

    86 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [954]

    87 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [956]



    05 Girls

    31 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [436]

    32 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [454]

    38 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [538]

    41 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [577]

    92 IR ACADEMY WHITE [1184]

    96 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [1237]

    236 IR ACADEMY BLACK [3117]



    04 Girls

    44 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [523]

    60 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [799]

    100 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [1347]

    130 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [1794]



    03 Girls

    21 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [299]

    38 IR ACADEMY PURPLE DM [506]

    61 IR ACADEMY PURPLE JG [922]

    87 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [1295]

    116 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [1655]

    121 ELK GROVE UNITED SC [1812]

    222 FC ELK GROVE PREMIER 1 [3001]

    234 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [3137]



    Overall Score

    1st in Elk Grove 2nd in Elk Grove 3rd in Elk Grove Total Top 3 in Elk Grove

    FC 3 4 1 8

    IR 1 1 2 4

    BH 1 0 2 3
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    The "Top Ranked Club in Elk Grove"?

    That's a bit like being the top-ranked sushi joint in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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    Quick note to your "rankings". The 2006 FECG Platinum 1 team is living off the stats of their old squad which is now the Blackhawks 06G Sky. The 2005 FCEG Platinum 2 team and the Blackhawks 05G SKY are the same team. I'm fairly sure those 03's are now Blackhawks teams too. I think 50 pages back or so someone predicted FCEG was going to end up a all silver club, well other than their State Cup winning side that's pretty much come to pass.

    You really want proof just look at the results from their teams at their own Kick Off Classic this year. Don't remember seeing one FCEG team at DAVIS or CAL CUP. Maybe they are going to play against the EGYSL teams in the EGYSL Jamboree. lol
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    This I can say is 100% false.
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    Have the info for Boys as well?
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    Have the info for Boys as well?
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    About the same

    Elk Grove Top Boys teams.



    07 Boys

    39 IR ACADEMY PURPLE RR [309]

    50 FC ELK GROVE PRE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY [387]

    209 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [1509]

    233 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [1712]





    06 Boys

    38 FC ELK GROVE SA I [413]

    45 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [520]

    49 FC ELK GROVE SA II [570]

    54 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [625]

    68 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [777]

    114 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [1220]

    236 IR ACADEMY WHITE [2548]



    05 Boys

    57 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [734]

    67 IR ACADEMY WHITE [893]

    96 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [1162]

    288 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [3200]

    331 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [3837]



    04 Boys

    23 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [198]

    104 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [1262]

    141 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [1658]

    239 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 1 [3129]

    242 IR ACADEMY WHITE [3144]





    03 Boys

    69 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 2 [784]

    84 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [897]

    120 ELK GROVE UNITED SC BLUE [1456]

    177 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [2291]

    228 FC ELK GROVE ELITE 2 [3041]



    Overall Score

    1st in Elk Grove 2nd in Elk Grove 3rd in Elk Grove Total Top 3 in Elk Grove

    FC 4 2 3 9

    IR 1 2 1 4

    BH 0 1 1 2
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    Not to burst your bubble but many of the FCEG teams listed are no longer around. They might be ranked and show listed with a coach but that's not true.

    Quick example in the first group was 07 girls and the current coach for the platinum 1 team was the coach for the platinum 2 team in 2016. The 2 team folded into platinum 1 when the platinum 1 coach left and many of the players did as well. The 07 also have an elite team this year but they have no ranking.

    The 06 girls are the same. The rank for the elite 1 is from 2016. This spring the elite 1 coach moved to platinum 1 after another loss of players at the platinum 1 and 2 teams. There is no platinum 2 team or elite team this year. They do however have a premier team at the 06 level.

    You can go on and on at each age group. Same for the boys except at the 07 & 06 (USDA).

    The best club in Elk Grove is the one that works for your kid and family. These rankings are garbage. Coaches will choose to improve on rankings or actually train players. When a team goes to a tournament and scores 30+ goals as a silver team I think the coach is working on his ranking. Easy to get rankings when you play down in levels. Rankings should only come out for those teams that decide to play at the highest level, go gold for excitement or sign up for silver and settle down.

    Teams don't exist but no need to delete those from the web. That smoke and mirror operation again.
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    And my friends daughter's 07G Purple team at IR was in the Championship of the State Cup last year, they have been attending mostly 06G events this year as a play up. They are one of the best teams around and I watch them whenever I can. The 08B Purple team is also one of the best around. My daughter is on the 09G Purple team, also one of the best around. A lot of great talent building up at IR. Period! Anything at BH is from FCEG and anything at FCEG on gotsoccer is leftovers from last season except for the 02G team. My neighbor's kid is on that team and they pinched their nose to stay and ride the wave from last season. A very good team that 02G team I admit that.
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    @FCParent is using http://youthsoccerrankings.us/ to for the rankings. That site is much better than gotsoccer. It gives a team a point value on each game. Then it averages out the team's game scores to get the ranking.

    For the 07s, @FCParent missed IR's top team. IR ACADEMY PURPLE is ranked 5th.
    http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1870355

    The FCEG Platinum 1 team that is ranked 17th does have history since the tryouts. Overall, their score has climbed since tryouts. But, just looking at their scores, there are a lot of 24+ games in the fall and a lot of 21s since tryouts. Not sure where their score is going after the fall league falls off their average.
    http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1844572

    The FCEG Platinum 2 team ranked 27th has no history in 2017. It could be a mistake in the system, or the team is gonzo. This might be the team that ended up at the Blackhawks.
    http://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=1791798

    The dude that maintains youthsoccerrankings.us does it all for free and ranks nearly 100,000 teams. Its pretty insane. As stupid as it seems to rank 8 year old soccer, it does help tournaments flight the teams. Its also pretty interesting how accurate it is. The math is crazy, as is the fact the dude figured out how to scrape the games and keep the teams squared away.
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  17. EastGroveCoach

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    Like I said most of the FCEG teams listed above are no longer, gone, diminished whatever you want to say. That's only half of it. The coaches for the platinum 1 team and a majority of the players are gone but if you use the same team name you can benefit from a ranking system that follows a team name. Notice zero teams from FCEG have a team name other than the level they are paying at? They can smoke and mirror you into thinking something about a team that really isn't.

    The ranking system might be better but from someone that knows each team at FCEG and the FACT that teams are no longer active, it just shows the data is bad. Either the collector or the club that provides the data should be questioned.

    Don't worry FCEG has a new plan. I think this was a joke from a friend but you take it for what it's worth. The younger academy program is going to play rec soccer with rec uniforms. FCEG Paid coaches have been training kids for months who will most likely play at the top team next year will test their skills against the rec kids from Elk Grove. Does this seem appropriate? Do other clubs have the academy players playing against rec teams in the fall?

    That could be a joke but it was worth the head shake to repost it as it seems like another dumb money grab or maybe a way to inflate the amount of teams by FCEG.
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    And this team deserves the ranking. They played the top dogs and now playing up to continue development. The coach obviously looking for a challenge. Guess those "daddy coaches" at IR have some soccer knowledge and respect for the game.
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    You're so wrong! They didn't attend Davis or Cal Cup as most teams are heading to Bay Area, Lake Tahoe, Reno and Oregon for tournaments. When you are a platinum team from FCEG, Davis and Cherry Island are weak. You cannot bond at Cherry Island.

    As for the jamboree comment, well...... it could....... maybe........
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    Using the fact that for a team be called elite that team should be ranked in the top 20 in the state, of the 3 major suburbs in Sacramento county why is it that Placer County and Folsom/San Juan can have 3x the number of teams in the top 20 as EG. All have at least 3 other club in their area.

    Top 20 teams by area


    Placer County (13) Placer 7 Blues 5 Rocklin 1

    Folsom/San Juan (12) SJ 11 FL 1 Stars 1

    Elk Grove (4) FC 2 IR 1 BH 1



    07 Girls


    3 BLUES FC NAVY [41]

    4 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS BLUE [47]

    5 IR ACADEMY PURPLE [48]

    8 PLACER UNITED SC GOLD [100]

    11 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED [145]

    17 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [208]



    07 Boys

    7 PLACER UNITED SC [54]

    16 SAN JUAN SC LIGHTNING BLUE [108]

    18 SACRAMENTO UNITED RED [133]



    06 Girls

    1 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS PRE ECNL [4]

    7 BLACKHAWKS SC SKY [138]

    10 ROCKLIN FC NAVY [147]

    12 PLACER UNITED SC GOLD [161]

    15 WOODLAND SC LEGACY [170]

    19 FC ELK GROVE PLATINUM 1 [187]



    06 Boys

    12 UNION SACRAMENTO FC [161]

    17 BLUES FC NAVY [233]





    05 Girls

    1 PLACER UNITED SC GOLD [28]

    4 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS ECNL [60]

    12 BLUES FC NAVY [174]

    13 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED [188]

    17 UNION SACRAMENTO FC [281]

    20 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS BLUE [301]



    05 Boys

    7 BLUES FC NAVY [83]

    10 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED [120]

    13 SAN JUAN SC ACADEMY [143]

    14 PLACER UNITED SC [153]



    04 Girls

    3 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS ECNL [19]

    5 PLACER UNITED SC [27]

    13 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS BLUE [180]

    16 BLUES FC NAVY [218]

    20 FOLSOM LAKE EARTHQUAKES PREMIER [286]

    04 Boys

    6 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED [71]




    03 Girls


    1 PLACER UNITED SC [27]

    6 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS ECNL [73]

    10 DAVIS LEGACY SC RED [143]

    19 SAN JUAN SC SPIRITS BLUE [289]

    20 UNION SACRAMENTO FC NPL [297]



    03 Boys

    18 USA STARS ACADEMY ELITE [113]

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