Trouble at Pleasanton rage

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  1. lovethegame

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    No problem
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    I think the problem at Pleasanton Rage is more than just DOC and coaches. Their board members, President, and the executive committee, use their position to promote their own kids and their loyal friend's children. Most parents are alienated and the good players left or are leaving the club.

    You can only check ECNL conference and national rankings to see how bad the Pleasanton Rage has become.

    The relationship between coaches, parents, and kids at all levels are so toxic that only complete overhaul of the club can fix things.

    PB checked out as DOC a couple of years ago. The coaches and the program is being run by a few parents in the executive committee who have no soccer experience but plenty of personal agenda.

    I have many friends that are or were at Rage and they even have a stronger sentiment about the club thaa I am saying here.

    I hope they can fix their issues and get back to a good club that they once were.
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    There have been parents that had made considerable donations to help fund the new patelco park.
    And yes board members kids on 1st teams a little too long. BUT this kind of preference goes on at every club.

    The first thing the DOC should do is make every coach accountable.
    Change the philosophy to BOTH winning and development.
    If your team is losing like crazy, your team looks like crap playing kick ball and u are selecting the wrong kids at tryouts ,......well it’s time to go.

    As of today Jareth Chan coach of the 05’s with no A, B or C license is in 2nd place. All other A license coaches are near last place.
    Now how would one reconcile that?
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    First of all, I do not know of any premier ECNL or DA clubs that play preferential for board member 's kids- and if they place board member kids or kids from parents who contributed money
    to the club in the ENCL or DA over more talented kids then you get a club that is not competative... Like Pleasanton RAGE.
    It seems you know a lot about Rage so I assume this is happening a lot at Rage.
    It is also unethical to advertise club coaches as licenced professionals and have an unlicensed person to coach an ECNL team and furthermore, it is not fair to parents that pay good money to get
    professional coaching for their kids. As for How I reconcile 05 team being in second place with an unlicensed coach, I can only say is 05 team has a lot of good players and I think with a better
    coach they could be in 1st place or national champion. However, as I said the people who manage coaches at Rage are mom and pops that have no soccer experience and put an unlicenced coach
    in an only good team they got.
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    Licenses don’t make a coach better.

    Deza A licensed? Damn good coach and trainer.
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    Let me guess "Fred Zarnegar" you used to be at Rage and now at Mustang?

    I'm not saying Rage is amazing or anything, but let's not treat them like some 3rd class club in Northern California. They are still solid and have potential to get back into top 5 clubs in Nor Cal with some changes. Hopefully the new DOC does well in the next few years.

    I agree with ECNL. Having an A license vs C doesn't automatically make you the better coach but it does show willingness to improve and spend time. Plenty of mid level licensed high level coaches. For me it's about what your accomplishments are and how you run sessions vs. what letter a piece of paper says.
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    I definitley agree with you that the new DOC should make every coach accountable. If you don't then thats when the standards go downhill and a club will not be as strong as they can be.

    After talking with a few parents from the 05's they said their coach Jareth Chan does have licenses, and sessions are very good. If all other ECNL teams are near the bottom then he must be doing something right.


    I am not sure if Rage gives preferential treatment to board members kids, but if they do then hopefully that changes because it would probably affect the club's competitiveness.

    I do know a lot of teams with very good players and they have a coach who maybe doesn't do a very good job and the team will go downhill very fast. Coaching is one of the most important aspects in club soccer, and especially at the ECNL level a team will not do well without a very good coach. Even good coaches with good players are not always successful.

    I think Rage can be good again with the new DOC. As good as Mustang, that only time will tell and might be tough. Some great coaches without high licenses and some not very good coaches with A licenses, all depends on the person, but does show commitment.
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    I hear the 05 coach is likeable and girls play for him.

    Yes Rage now has the resources to be a top club. Only time will tell. Top 5 priorities should be:
    1) coach accountability. Winning and Dev are BOTH equally important
    2) reduce the rage to Mustang migration
    3) stop trying to be a mom’s and pops club.
    4) stop promoting kids to upper teams for just working hard. promote based
    On merit and results.
    5) over haul at least half of the coaching staff. One team per coach unless that coach
    Has demonstrated the ability to develop kids that produce results individually and in the win column.

    Current top 10 clubs for reputation, dev, winning longevity, infrastructure, facilities, etc.
    IMO.

    1) Mustang
    2) Earthquakes as long as Deza is there
    3) MVLA
    4) San Juan
    5) Placer
    6) CA thorns/old De Anza
    7) RAGE
    8) Lamorinda
    9) West coast
    10) Santa Rosa


    11) sporting, Livermore, galaxy blues, Elk Grove,
    Ajax, San Juan South, etc.
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    Agree w all five points ECNL’s top priorities…

    Rage centrally located has the ability to tap into all bay area markets including Central Valley area. They have the facilities, surrounded by money & correct platform for players to enjoy HS and club soccer. I’m rooting for their success; need a change of path for top players typical migration (top two clubs) and leaderboard.
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    Their uniforms are not the problem, and in my opinion at least, are a terrific part of their brand. Very distinctive, unlike every other club's standard blues.

    It does every club good to have the clubs around them get stronger. I hope Rage succeeds.
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    I could always find my dd’s team at big tournaments in that bright orange.
    Not sure members really understand what a significant change this is. It’s been 20 years
    With Blin. That’s a really long time. My best to him and the club moving forward.
    I’m hearing very positive things about the new DOC so far. For her, what a great opportunity.
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    I think you should add commitment to coaching for lower level teams in there. There has to be good coaching and a reasonable chance to move up and replace a 1st team player.

    I'm most familiar with 05/06 Rage teams, and holy smokes, the drop off from 1st to 2nd team is staggering, notwithstanding there are some good players on the 2nd teams for both age groups--good enough such that a good coach could try to teach them a "brand" of playing soccer. The 06 second team in particular seems to have a few members that were selected based on politics/parental persuasion, cannot seem to possess the ball, no mid-field, and is not that great at direct kick and run ... they are basically a silver level team. Given a few of those players were playing very well in PREMIER on Rage's second team just a year ago, I think it HAS to come down to coaching and not the level of talent. (I hope this does not sound too harsh, but the same person coaches both the 05 and 06 second teams.)

    Indeed, Rage need only look down the street for a good example of paying attention to coaching a style of play for second/third teams -- at BALLISTIC ;)
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    I don't think it's ethical. I think the point is that this coach doesn't have the credentials BUT he's doing a good job. I've never seen the 05 team play. not sure if they're good athletes, kick and score, possess, anything. Before joining EQ, Deza had an E license and yet he's considered one of the best coaches in the nation in many circles. Having a license doesn't say squat about how well you can coach. it just shows dedication to your academic pursuits. hopefully they can turn it around...they'll need this at minimum

    1) Solid coaches with the same philosophy in teaching how the game is played (style is irrelevant when defining the culture and core to of the program) at ALL levels. They're trying to instill this on the first, second, and third teams in each age group. IF they hire solid coaches, quality kids will return.

    2) Numbers-The thing Rage has over almost anyone is that you have access to 580 and 680 kids, easily at their disposal. They also have a HUGE recreational younger league and feeder program. This is just as large or bigger than it's rival to the north.

    3) parental support-for any club to thrive they need to have parental involvement. Not telling the DOC or coaches what to do, but offering to help with no strings attached. Its not wonder (and this happens at every club) that all of the scandals are tied to money and power. This probably is the same case at Rage AND other programs and will always be the case in the pay to play model. Parental support should be manager, game scheduler, fundraising coordinator, help the coach with recruiting (giving out flyers, making a coaches recruiting database, etc).

    4) Development over winning. A lot of parents out there value winning and place it over everything. If w'er winning we must be doing something right. Little to they know that at the U5 level, bigger and more athletic kids don't always stay that way for their entire life. Kids mature, hit growth spurts, lose baby fat and become studs out of nowhere. I remember the was this kid from a local mom and pop club. She was HANDS DOWN the best player in the area, maybe even northern CA. EVERYONE knew her and the team (they were successful). She was this good until maybe U14 and slowly but surely, she kind of went out of the picture. All I'm saying is train kids on the technical aspects of the game when they're young so that when they mature and hit puberty, they'll have that foundation. Winning is fun, but winning at the older ages is even better. I also hope that the parents/community give her a chance to brand the program. Can't do it over night (unless you're certain coaches)...it takes time.

    5) Access to resources. Any great club will have their own fields (Davis) or will have unlimited access to field around them. Rage has access to new fields and the grass (loved playing on grass) fields.
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    the honest truth is the coaching staff will need to be slowly replaced to enable change.

    My guess is the old guard will be resistant to change and will eventually leave on their own.
    The DOC can make major changes at the 2nd and 3rd level with her people immediately. Eventually they move into the top spots.
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    We have been at Mustang for over 9 years. Over the last few years, we have been fortunate to meet a few families who left Rage and joined our club. (I have to say a lot more families in the last 2 years than the previous ones.)
    For most parts, they have no issues with the coaches and most believe the problem is with the direction, consistency, and playing philosophy or lack of it from one coach to another. One common issue was over the top micro-management and favoritism by executive board members and the club president. My point in my posting was exactly that. I think it is sometimes too easy to blame coaches when things do not go right. If coaches are empowered to do their job, they will do fine. Rage was a very competitive club. Most of those coaches are still there when things were good. What has changed is the Executive board, president and a DOC who was just buying time so he can retire.
    The current President and his friends in the executive committee have created a very bad environment where parents do not feel they are getting a fair shake by staying there. From what I see, most of the
    kids we got from Rage are top players and if they could have held on to them, the club would not be where they are. Unfortunately, I think it will take several years for them to get to where they were several years ago.
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    ?????? Odd, as parent of a kid running in the top third and knowing many parents running in the top third never heard that. Just about most of the elite players at Rage were given opportinities to play odp, pdp, US training centers, ecnl pdp. The players that I know of left because they were on a bad team or felt their kid was not developing they way they should.

    Kids that are usually affected by politics were the ones that fall in the middle and bottom third.
    If Rage is guilty of anything it’s focusing solely on their ecnl teams and less on their 2nd and third teams.
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    Well, looks like those Rage 05 parents are going to get their wish, and we'll find out if it's true those girls were not a factor and don't really make any impact. :p
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    Good players do not stay at Rage. Eventually, they find their ways to either Mustang or San Jose.
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    Sounds like you know about some changes coming up. I was surprised that RAGE 05 didn't finish the ECNL season strongly to claim the #1 spot in Bay Area division -- they lost 2 out of the final 4 games. Perhaps they had some injuries. Perhaps their style of play isn't very adaptive to different opponents. Regardless, if there are big changes coming for this team, I doubt that they will be alone. As I've seen with older teams, the transition for teams with mostly 8th graders before the following season tends to be the most disruptive. Should be a very interesting next season!
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    Does that statement pertain to the present or past? Rage had one ecnl team back in 2016 time frame that took first in ECNL.....one of the top teams in the entire area that year. It's my understanding people wanted to be on that team. No one left.

    Certainly one of the rare occurrences at RAGE.

    Some good teams over 10 years in no particular order. I think each were top dog in the area for at least a year. add more if you can think of any.

    West Coast Wild team U16-U18
    Mustang Fury U16-17
    De Anza 98 team all years which includes when they were Burlingame Rays
    U12-U14 Manteca Newcastle (surf cup finalist) - amazing for a team form Manteca.
    Mustang Xxplosion most years
    Lamorinda 97-98 team
    Bay Oaks 97-98 team
    Rage ECNL 2000
    Santa Rosa Tremors youngers (made surf cup finals a handful of times)
    MVLA Lightening with T. McGrady and others

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