Trouble at Pleasanton rage

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  1. ECNL

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    @Upper

    Even if we had free ecnl kids would still have to drive far. There’s no way around that unless the family moves.
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    My point is no exclusive ECNL/DA clubs or leagues. The playoff system would be the Showcases. Sure, there would still be club hoping for the better coach or club reputation but the kids wouldn't be forced to club hop like is essentially promoted now. I get having the best players practice and play together but I think that can be achieved much more organically than is mandated today.
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    I like the idea of a relegation league. If puts pressure on the DOC and coaches to perform. Relegation to a lower league would indicate poor development and coaching. Promotion indicating the contrary.
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    I think there has to be differentiated leagues, I really do. I was talking to a buddy today and I said if the USSF really wants exclusion, why not take a market like Socal and Norcal and form ONE club and these are the kids that will be the GNT/WNT development track. Yes, this list of 20-30 kids per age group may fluctuate, but each kid knows what and why they're doing what they're doing. You'd have 20-30 HUGE markets and they get the 20-30 games each year that they want-kids focused on the GNT. As for the rest of us plebs, we could do ECNL, then NPL and so on.

    I just think it's stupid how they spun it this year. Total train wreck. ECNL was good and the competition was MUCH more competitive than it is now.
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    Well to start GDA need to trim the fat, especially in Nor CAL. GDA really needs MVLA , Mustang and RAGE to join so they can eject Burlingame and PSV. Problem is HS is huge in those areas and the teams are quite good, featuring many D1 recruits of all ages who get to play together.
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    Agree. Interesting though that DA kids are playing high school this year - more than did when they played ecnl. Joke is on USSF. If they don't allow high school going forward no way will they get the numbers in DA they have now. Which was a ridiculous number of kids in NorCal to begin with anyway for an allegedly "elite" system, so maybe that's not a bad thing. College coaches want to see their recruits playing high school so they can see that they can handle 2 games/week with practice every single day and tourneys on weekends and still keep their grades up, plus it shows they aren't just soccer freaks who have no friends and that they can adapt their game to the situation. I have heard coaches complaining about not wanting to recruit DA kids for that and a number of reasons. They still will, of course, but it's not an environment that's useful to showing them the well rounded scholar-athletes they really want. Especially if grades slip after Florida. I've said it before and will say it again: die, GDA, please die.
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    I can assure you that maybe 5% of college coaches go out and watch high school games and why would/should they? They can see all of these kids at an ECNL/GDA/NPL showcase multiple times a year where they are playing at a much higher level (on average). Soccer is probably one of the only sports that does this, aside from Volleyball. All of the coaches that I've asked said watching high school is a waste of time (not a huge number but maybe 7-10 that I've asked).

    The point is high school is an opportunity to let your hair down and have fun. Every kid I've spoken with throughout the years have said it. Which is probably why Mustang, MVLA, Davis, San Juan, Rage and other ECNL teams opted not to play DA. Remember back in the beginning, they said they were NOT going to allow kids to play HS and thats when all the pushback started. All of the Socal elite teams (where HS soccer is huge) said not and called their bluff. When the USSF caved, all of the good players stayed ECNL, or a majority of them. Bummer, as I've said before because you have a watered down version in both leagues.
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    Deza does not need the DA to create good and elite soccer players. He could go
    College coaches come out to watch ebal games. Saw them last year. Not all at once just in spots.
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    When it comes to college recruiting, high school sports has become less important nearly across the board. Even the last “hold out”, football, has lost ground to camps and 7v7. Pretty much every other sport puts more emphasis on club/AAU (in whichever form the particular sport takes). Some scouts may come out to see a 17-year-old hit 90 pitching to other high schoolers or a big time hoops match up between powers but they know that the depth of those rosters can’t compare to what they will see at a showcase or elite camp.

    Soccer is no different. I saw college coaches at some HS games last year but they know that most teams are not replete with D1 talent (I said “most”; obviously there are exceptions but those are few and far between) so watching a kid dominate less-skilled opponents does not give them much information (in fact, the college coaches I saw were coaches watching kids who had already received offers; I am doubtful they saw a new target based on a HS game first impression).

    And, for those elite players, that is partially what makes HS so much fun. There is little pressure beyond winning for the school. The kids worry less about making an impression on those college eyeballs. They can relex. Of course, that is only talking about those for whom the next level is in reach. For the vast majority at most schools (again, “MOST”), HS games carry more weight because it is the highest level of competitive sports that they will play. And it all contributes to the fun.
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    St. Mary's definitely attended some EBAL games. Saw them.
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    Didn't say they watch high school games. Just that they like them to play.
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    Interesting. I see credential wise, she's obviously qualified. I haven't seen any of her teams play so can't really say if it's good hire. Have seen multiple San Juan teams play, but if she was in charge of development, they just (again from the 3-4 teams i've seen play) kick and run. It'll be interesting to see if she can turn Rage around in 2-3 years. God knows they have taken in Pleasanton, but in the Tri-Valley area, Mustang has been king for a long time.
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    Agree. Beyond some of their younger teams and the 05 ECNL side, Rage has scuffled. I hope the new DOC can bring some balance with the Mustang program.
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    I wonder if the new DOC will be a good hire and turn the club around. Rage definitley needed a change at the top with the way their ECNL teams are performing. I also only seen a few San Juan teams play and wonder what their style of play is.

    Mustang is way ahead of Rage and I definitley agree besides some younger Rage teams and the 05 ECNL team, their teams are not doing very good. You know what the crazy thing is? I heard recently that they are changing the 05 ECNL team's coach next season. Hard to figure out the logic in that one.
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    Even RAGE 05 was mediocre until they inherited some key players from other clubs.
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    IMHO that 05 Rage team was already pretty stacked and well coached, they were just missing a talented target forward.

    ETA: For example, as good as Mustang 05 is/was/will be, I think Rage 05 usually got the better of them since u9.
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    A year ago, nobody thought of Rage as "stacked". They picked up 2 athletes from WC and arguably the best player from Ajax. Prior to that, they were solid... but I'm not aware of them getting the best of Mustang, MVLA or WC right there in the backyard. Do the numbers support that?
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    OK, I guess I should have said "solid." You're right, prior to those players joining, they were solid.

    Gotsoccer only goes back two years, but against those teams:
    4/2017-4/2018 (I think the WCS players joined for this year, not sure about the Ajax player):
    MVLA: 1-2-0
    WCS: 0-2-0 (WCS posted some funny game recaps during this time)
    Mustang: 0-1-3

    4/2016-4/2017:
    MVLA: 1-0
    Mustang: 1-0-1
    WCS: 1-1
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    On a positive note, Ballistic, what I will say is that I admire how Rage, especially at the early ages, don't seem to sellout to big ball for big wins. I think they're much like Mustang and MVLA in that they try to teach good soccer early on and it often isn't reflected in wins. You tend to see it once they're on the big field. I hope they continue that philosophy.

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