The Rise and Fall of De Anza Force

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  1. b.hoop10

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    There has been so much on the drama at De Anza Force all over the forum that I thought this drama deserves and new thread.

    Lets talk about Force then and now. First off having multiple kids I have been around long enough to have seen Force teams pre-Deza and where they are now. So lets talk Pre-Deza on the girls side. Force was the laughing stalk of Norcal leagues. There wasn't any true development happening. Their philosophy was we will just recruit players instead of spending the resources to develop them. Which is fine if that's what you want to do.

    Deza came in with is showcase 98G and started to change the development culture. He brought in Juan Parras to help him, then Luciano, then Mikey Varas. They assembled one of the best group of technical coaches in the Country. Andres build up the program with the help of some greats no doubt. Without Deza Force girls program will crumble. You can try and sell how Brandi and others with little technical development knowledge can come in and save the program you are sorely mistaken. The top players can see the difference. You can try and sell Albert will help coaches to coach girls, but lets face it. Albert is there for what another year at most and sources I have talked say it will be much sooner once Deza departs.

    What are your thoughts on the Rise and Fall of De Anza Force?
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    This thread should be titled, "The rise and potential fall of DeAnza Force"--or, to keep with the forum custom, "Trouble in DeAnza?"

    Changes are afoot, but we don't know what will happen. Some clubs recover well from turnover like Force is seeing, some don't.
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    Totally predictable. Feel bad for the u14-U16 kids in this mass exodus. Well now the 2nd team De Anza kids will be ecnl. So they will be happy.
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    I'm not sure anyone comes out happy from this mess. I can't imagine that if the NPL players magically become ecnl players that the teams will have any success. Doesn't sound very happy to me.
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    So why did Deza leave?
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    Where's kicking and screaming? MVLA tryouts?
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    Do you want complete speculation and conjecture? Here's mine: force tried to have their cake and eat it too by sending B teams at the older ages to Thorns and keeping Deza's ECNL teams at Force with Deza. Either USSF or ECNL caught wind and balked, and when the option was to stay with the less talented kids Deza said no thanks. Which was best for everyone at that point - struggling/not super confident players would not be well served by his blunt, sometimes painful, tough love style of coaching. Or maybe couldn't even execute his vision of play.

    That is completely a guess, based on nothing. Would love to know the real story.
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    I think that story is close. From what I know, force wanted both da and ecnl. Ecnl said no. That forces force doc hand and rumor is best force kids were told or suggested to go to Thorns. Deza would never coach non top level kids anywhere which I understand. Tough situation for all
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    Not sure what is going on with De Anza, but they posted this on their website on Friday. They are spinning. It ain't good:
    http://www.deanzaforce.org/news_article/show/773042?referrer_id=952506
    Force ECNL 2017-18
    03/24/2017, 2:15pm PDT
    By Alex Booth
    The De Anza Soccer Club is a proud member of the ECNL, and it looks forward to having its top players and teams participate in the ECNL 2017-2018 season, as the Club’s top competitive platform for female soccer players. The De Anza Soccer Club supports the ECNL’s mission and programs, as the ECNL continues to be the top competitive and developmental program for youth female soccer players in the United States.

    The De Anza Soccer Club has no ownership of or other contractual relationship with the Thorns FC program and the Club’s current ECNL coaches will not be coaching any teams at Thorns FC.
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    Sounds like trying to batten down hatches to prevent migration to Quakes GDA.
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    So if you had WNT experience you are a good coach? CHastain is good at taking off her shirt while sliding. She has no track record close to Deza and it would utter stupidity for any elite De Anza player to make the move to thorns and risk a stunt in their daughter's development.

    MVLA is the benefactor here.
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    Deza's kids will follow him to a GDA, but that wouldn't be thorns, but most likely Quakes, as was posted here a month ago. I don't see MVLA benefitting in a direct way, at least not 01 and olders, where it's too late for GDA to be effective. Depends on a year by year basis, how many drink his koolaid.
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    Hard to argue. I've heard from some region IV ODP kids parents she coached. Amazing motivator and you listen when she talks but normal decent coach. Well I guess she gets to prove herself. I think it's more attractive for the younger girls to be coached by her then u18 with 1-2 years left. I would move to MVLA if they don't follow Deza somewhere. best option in most age groups
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    Does he have coaching credentials GDA mandates? or supposedly mandates? Maybe they will make an exception. Not even sure Brandi does but no clue honestly. While I don't think it should be mandated(many talented coaches don't have a A or B from us soccer) it's what US soccer does. Mandates everywhere! I agree it's on a year by year basis. 01 MVLA is quality but 02 not nearly as strong as Force for example.
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    I'll venture a guess: $$$.$$$$
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    To make a long story short....

    Baicher and Deza never have seen eye to eye on the philosophy of how to roll things out with Force. Deza is more possession based and his trainings are the proof in the pudding. Baicher tried to play that style but his practices (the ones i've seen) have been mostly scrimmage, flying changes and spending 20-30 minutes of setting up stupid set plays.

    When the idea of GDA rolled out and Force was probably gonna get it, Deza thought that he would be moving over with his coaches and ECNL teams to the GDA. Baicher basically said you can have only one team. Porras took a DOC job, Fusco is at UCLA, and left Deza by himself. So Andres said he'd consider it, and worst case scenario, he'd stay one more year and coach the ECNL team.

    This decision was based on a poor working enviornment created by the powers that be at Force that basically left Deza no choice but to look at other options. Now you have a bunch of flunkies that will be taking over the ECNL teams starting after Phoenix...with Deza being phased at the end of ECNL league play. Baicher coaching 01, Lloyd coaching 02 and can't remember who's coaching the 03 team. Also, they hired McAllister from Santa Clara to help with being the director of recruiting (kind of counter since he's the recruiter for Santa Clara).

    All Force is trying to do is put all their fingers in the damn to help from emploding. Kids that are players 16-30 will probably stay because of the cool-aid that's being poured. Those that know what Deza can do for their career, will leave without blinking. What does this do to the whole hirearchy? IF he goes to Earthquakes, they will immediatly have a competitive team. Force ECNL, will be nothing more than a poor ECNL team. Thorns, that has always been billed as being part of force is gonna get kids because of names (not coaching history) but also will be a poor team.

    As I said before, a lot of politics that goes on here and the ones that lose are the kids. Ego's ego's , ego's....
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    Sounds like too many cooks in the kitchen situation. Often the case in youth sports sadly. Same stuff happened in RAYS with Burlingame/old gryphons which Deza was part of. I'm guessing girls spread all over the place
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    Interesting, and the explanation seems logical. Clearly something was up with the GDA/ECNL/Thorns stuff. With Deanzas weird release on their website, you have to figure that ECNL was pressing them on the relationship with the Thorns (something they didn't do to MVLA, San Juan, and Davis). And now the club's ECNL director steps down? You got to believe that De Anza's ECNL relationship is on the rocks.
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    De Anza has just a two year contract with ECNL. After that if GDA takes off (and I think it will if SoCal is putting their top kids in GDA) than I'd bet the Thorns relationship becomes financial and top Force kids go GDA and Force walks away from ECNL entirely. But who know if they'll have top players left by then.
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    Politics? Egos? In youth sports? Oh, no, you would never find people trying to live off of kids' soccer/sports, just doesn't exist I tell ya! When they ALL say, it's for the kids! You better believe them. That's why we don't have so many half-baked coaches trying run off and start new clubs and training businesses, and . . . oh wait . . .

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