State cup Round 2

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  1. Fastfootskills

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    schedules are out. Not sure how the seeding works. Looks like Clovis made it through. Thoughts?
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    Seems rather bogus, why play the 1st round at all? "They had a tough 1st round flight"? Several teams, for example Barcelona Bay Area, can make the same claim. Not only did they make it through, it seems they were put into a favorable 2nd round flight.
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    Looks like they swapped the highest scoring 3rd place team (Clovis Crossfire - 15 points) with the lowest scoring 2nd place team (East Sac Impalas - 10 points).
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    Makes perfect sense to me. Clovis played the the most difficult bracket in the first round of State Cup. Many believe that COSC Red, CenCal SA and Clovis are all top 15 teams in NorCal. I think they got this one right.
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    I agree that their bracket was a very strong, but a third place team should not have replaced a second place team regardless of the points. Why have brackets and seeding if you are not going to stick with them? I understand it's tough, but if that's how the seeding came out, then that's how it came out and if you want to move on you should have to win. Unless the East Sac team asked to be moved down Clovis should be in the lower division. Plus, Walnut Creek had the same amount of points (15).... why not take Walnut Creek? It starts a huge argument and people begin to question the legitimacy of it all.

    Be in the top two or get relegated...period. Just my opinion.
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    I agree with Watchitall, a bit. Clovis is now the exception to the rule, and replaces the 32nd team. The problem is, how should they be seeded in round 2? One could argue that Clovis should be the lowest 4 seed, and therefore placed in a flight with WVU or Placer, the top 1-seeds. Instead they are put into flight A, where it appears they are seeded 1, or 2. Bad precedent.
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    Totally agree...
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    Actually, there is precedence. They did something very similar last year. I'm unclear if the team that drops has input.
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    Tjsoccer is correct. They did do this last year also. I think the difference between Clovis compared to any other team you might bring up, is what they gave done to date. Victories over COSC, Davis, Livermore, Rage, and a final appearance in the Rage tournament only losing to Placer in pks. That sounds like a team that deserves to have a shot in the top 32.
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    I guess that's why everyone has an opinion. In my opinion, it doesn't matter what the team has done in the past. The points speak for themselves, they took third they should've been moved down. You want your shot at the top 32 finish in the top 2 of your bracket. That's like saying the Boston Redsox deserved to be in the ALDS because they won the World Series last year. Sorry, past records do not mean anything in sports. You need to win, to move forward. Obviously my opinion doesn't mean anything because Clovis is moving on in the top 32, and I'm just someone with an opinion.
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    You can have an opinion. But the precedent was set when NorCal did this last year. In regards to your Red Sox analogy, these victory are PRESENT season wins and some as recent as this season. We all trust NorCal with our children for PDP and trust that they have more soccer knowledge then we have but yet get upset when they correct an oversight in their own rules.
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    Last year, Norcal announced that they were only taking one team out of Flight K for the U12 cup. They did this prior to the first round games.

    I have no idea if they did anything like that this year, but what if they had announced that Flight E was getting 3 teams and the East Sac flight was only getting one into the top 32? If it was known prior to the first round, would you be more comfortable with how it ended up? They seed the first round based on ranking and minimized travel.
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    I agree with my poor analogy of using the RedSox.... What about if we use the Angels.... The number one seed this year in the AL. They got swept by the Royals, but since they were the number one seed and clearly expected to move on they should be allowed to? No.... That's why the game is played. If you want to move on you need to win.... Period.

    I'm not upset at all since I have nothing to do with either of the teams involved, I just believe you should earn your spot. It wasn't an oversight on NorCals part..... They were scheduled games in a seeded bracket that Clovis didn't make it out of. Sometimes good teams have to play each and if the goal is to move on then you need to win and its that simple.
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    If they know before hand that they need to win their bracket that is fine because there is an expectation. Not just, hey Clovis played well and finished third let's give them a shot. Even though Walnut Creek finished 3rd with 15 points also and didn't get moved.
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    Hang tight..... Looks like they are switching things around..... East Sac is now in Top 1-32, bracket A. Bracket O in 33-64 currently has three teams.
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    Wow where does Clovis end up? What a roller coaster
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    Yeah, it seems for now that they will not allow this exception for Clovis, at least as of now. This is the right choice.
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    As of this morning, Clovis is in 33-64 group, bracket O.

    What a hot mess! They didn't just simply swap places. In order to limit travel for game 1, it looks like they changed other brackets/groupings as well, but only in the 33-64 group. oh boy...
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    Wow, some people lost one of their top eight picks before the games even began...LOL.
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