Small Sided Games and Parking

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  1. TJsoccer

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    Hey Tournament Directors, Just because you can fit more games into a tournament, doesn't mean you should fit more games into a tournament. The unintended consequences of the small sided games initiative is that nobody can find a place to park!

    I was at a playdate a few weeks ago that was a nightmare, and I heard that Cal Cup was a total parking apocalypse. I also heard that Cal Cup used portable goals for the ulittles because Cherry Island didn't have enough for all the games that they crammed into the tourney (someone can correct that if I'm wrong, second hand info). They used to do girls weekend/boys weekend, but now I guess the broke it between younger and olders...which meant they had way, way, way too many games going on for their younger tourney.
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    Portable goals, portapotties that weren't serviced before or during the event, so black widows but no hand soap or water, and allowed us to pay $20 to park, for the weekend, but still turned those people away when they felt the venue was full. People turned away were then lucky enough to receive a $60 ticket after parking a mile away. Then again, it was only 109-degrees yesterday. And I guess keeping the grass long helps keep the ball from rolling down domed fields?

    They did offer a shuttle service for a remote location but San Juan should be ashamed of themselves for the cash grab on this. Very poorly run.
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    what do you expect? goes in line with having some of the highest fees in the region without even having a complex or dedicated fields to cram the kids on!
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    That is what I heard. I got a call from someone on Sunday who had been stuck on the street for like 30 minutes, waiting to get into the complex. They were really bummed out that they signed up for the tourney. They also had a bunch of pissed off parents on their team. San Juan just chopped up the fields so small that they over committed the facility.

    I can't believe they had portable goals setup. That is embarrassing. I don't think I've ever seen that. That is when they should have figured it out. Or, they could have realized it when they decided a shuttle service was necessary (who would even use that...with coolers, pop ups, and chairs?)
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    Yes, they had portable goals for the 7v7 fields. I was stuck on the street for over 30 minutes! Never doing this tournament again!
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    "I can't believe they had portable goals setup. "

    Are portable goals for 7 v 7 a bad thing? should they be permanent? Full-size?
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    @wil4pres - I think it was those fold up plastic tent pole goals that they use for practice. You expect to at least have aluminum ones, right?

    So I looked up the tourney on got soccer. Last year they had 164 teams at their first weekend tourney. This year they had 224 teams. 60 additional teams.
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    i don't know what you folks would be expecting, i would have expected plastic or "bownets" for 7 v 7

    As for aluminum, good luck, those are a pain to setup and hard to find and if you do find them expensive(given the limited use it would be hard to justify the purchase). I think we will be seeing the plastic and "bownet" style for years to come.
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    Not a great experience this year. I also got stuck in the U st/28th st traffic jam. Took 25 minutes to get to the front, to then have the lady flip the sign to "Lot Full" and have to wait another 10 minutes. for cars to leave. Pretty poor set up and as always there is no where to go within 20 minutes of that place to get out of the heat. Having games in the middle of day on Friday for 11/12 year olds when many are still in school. Seems like the whole thing was just not well thought out.
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    7 v 7 is at U9 and U10. 9 v 9 is at U11 and U12. In the Standards, they use the same size goals (6 x 18). At Cal Cup, U9s, U10s, U11s, and U12s all paid the same amount ($575). Why should they expect different goals? I know I had a kid play at Cherry Island at U10 for something and they got the aluminum goals. They are out there.

    Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I think they only brought in extra goals because they stuffed the tourney too full. I don't think they have done that before, but I could be wrong. Adding 60 teams to the tourney didn't make it a better experience for the participants, I can guarantee that.
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    well the tournament price would be higher for youngers is metal goals are bought or rented.

    The price of the tournament is really affected by the cost of the facilities and refs., metals, pins etc. It is a very very hard job to hold a tournament that large and try to give it at mostly a single location. Too many off-site locations and the tournament feels disconnected and it is much harder to manage (communications being extremely important), all in all, coaches will vote next year with their teams what tournaments they see value in and what they don't.
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    Simple solution folks. Don't attend the tournament!! Who wants to play be playing in Sac mid June anyways? Poor kids having to deal with that unhealthy playing conditions.
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    I see your point. I've just been to 2 youngers events this year (a Playdate at Granite and a tourney at Davis) and parking was terrible at both of them (although nothing compared to Cal Cup, from what I heard). At Davis, they didn't even make me pay...just waived me though with a hearty "good luck in there".

    The small sided directive allows them to host many more games with many more teams. The fields can support the increase, but the facilities can't. These dudes need to chill and decrease the number of teams they are willing to accept. Soccer facilities expect 22 field players at a time on a field. But by dividing the fields into quarters and going 7v7, that same field has the potential to have 48.

    **I suck at math: 14x4 = 56.
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    Cal cup has always been terrible for parking. Adding more teams could only make it worse.

    You guys think Davis is bad? I've gone to countless tournaments there and it's been significantly improved in the last few years. No bathrooms yes but I would prefer to play a tournament there over anywhere in NorCal that hosts tournaments in a single location
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    But then you don't play anywhere. Pleasanton Sportspark has shitty fields and capable of reaching 100+. Muscle Milk is an amazing facility... if you don't have to park and have no issues when it's 105 on the turf. Modesto? Same.
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    Still spot on. Yes there are plenty of tournaments and the coordinator wants "to be bigger and better" next year however the actions speak more of "we need more money." They are everywhere and just like soccer clubs some do it differently and we as the consumer need to be more vocal about the tournaments that do it right.

    I have been notified a week before a tourney that our team was removed due to lack of teams. Frustrating but then again I guess it's better than getting the play up division and donating to the cause. I liked the tournament before and have no problems going back again as they obviously respect the game more than money.

    So what tournaments do you like and why?

    I didn't notice any parking issues this past weekend but then again the early bird gets more than just a worm, parking and shade!
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    Here is my take on the tourneys in and around the 916.

    I've always liked the Davis tourneys. But their Mother's Day tourney for the youngers was overbooked. They designated the driving isles with cones, and folks just parked in the isle and moved the cone over...shrinking the isle until there barely a car width through. There was also a hell of a wait to get in...with a very slow line on that frontage road. Like I said, by the time I got there, they were just waiving people through and not charging. It was a mess. Hopefully they are just trying to figure out their new capacity.

    I like tourneys at Granite Regional because you can grill under those trees. Its one of the only tourneys I know where you can have an open flame and Q it up. Now that they added the new fields to the north, parking is very difficult. If you are late, you have to park up the hill....which makes it difficult to bring the grilling tools to the field. I'm not sure why they can't put together a decent olders tourney.

    Placer Girls cup is always competitive. I guess its at Cherry now (it was at various locations around Roseville when we did it). When I go to Cherry, I usually try to get to the dirt lot and back my truck under the tree that is right next to the field. Then I sit there and drink beer and watch the toothless elverta lot lizards try to direct traffic. I love when they get on their walkies...eyes bugged out, loudly gumming inarticulate swear words while their heads and arms ungulate in unison.
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    Since I was At both Davis and Cal Cup here are my 2 cents. In Davis there is plenty of room. The issue is the flow. They have 1 entrance and one exit. Then the entrance traffic crossed with the exit traffic and the people could not get in and out quick enough. At Cal Cup is always bad. I'm always early and it was the worst I've ever seen it. The smell out there was the worst ever this year too. It was Predator Hot. That being said you just deal with it and when you get parked crack a beer, grab some shade and enjoy some soccer.
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    For what its worth, Davis Legacy cares a lot about how painful it is to park there. The club does try various strategies (with varying success) to ameliorate the situation.... staggering game start/stop times, different traffic patterns, how to place people, waving fees, number of attendants, police assistance etc... The club does not have control over city regulations regarding possible additional egress points.

    I always try to park as close to the exit as possible without concern about where my kid is actually playing. Nevertheless, I've been stuck in that parking lot many, many times, and yes, it is rage inducing.
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    I know this is blasphemy, but these clubs can choose to make their tournaments smaller. Just cut down the number of lower level flights. Push those teams into silver level tournaments, helping to spread the wealth to the clubs that need it. By making their tourney exclusive, they could ultimately enhance their club's brand anyways.
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