policies on club release

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  1. bendit

    bendit New Member

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    Here's the scenario - the family/child would like to leave a club X (Norcal/US Socceer) to location and logistics to something more local - no conflicts involved. There is a financial dispute and stalemate as to remaining dues/balance owed, so the club is electing to not release the child until the balance is paid. This seems like a lot of power over the family/child, and I would imagine that a financial dispute should lead to small claims arbitration or collections, but should not enable Club x to keep ownership over the child who in turn can't play anywhere else. Does anyone have the official word on what the club can and can't do, and what we as parents can do to get the child released rather than just laying down for this and paying the club's outrageous financial balance that is not justified or ever agreed to ? Is there an official policy from US Soccer somewhere on this ? I don't get how a club can just have this infinite power and hold my kid ransom.

    Thanks
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    My understanding of the rule is that if said club does not release the player (for whatever reason) the next step is to appeal to the governing body (US Soccer and US Club) for the next step in settling the dispute. My take is that a kid should be able to transfer BUT if there was a signed agreement, the financial obligations should be paid (unpaid balance etc).

    The problem is in what you wrote: "this and paying the club's outrageous financial balance that is not justified or ever agreed". THEY agreed to pay the outrageous financial amount and should be on the hook for it. But again, it has to go through US Club or US soccer appeals. From what I've heard it can take a couple months or longer for the process to go through.
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    I didn't think US Club cares about open balances with clubs. Clubs may try to collect through a collection service or in civil court, but a kid can leave the club and go to a new one. If the old club doesn't agree to the transfer, the league rules may force a kid to sit out a few games.
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    I've seen this happen on a team that i was affiliated with. End result after a lot of bickering back and forth.. player and parents went to the coach and asked for the kids player card.
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    Coaches/clubs have to release the card/player regardless of wthr or not there is a balance due.
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    ... unless you are speaking of a DA team, being that their rules seem to be at a different level, you should be able and allowed to have your kid play elsewhere.
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    Bottom line: With the new NorCal rules, no club is obligated to release any player until the tryout window in May. When you signed up in the Fall, it was a full year commitment. Your child will be a free agent in the summer......
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    You can be released if you have fulfilled the financial obligation. Most clubs have a no refund policy or some sort of policy regarding fees. It sounds like your son/daughter played in the fall and you decided to change clubs this spring. If yes, you must have known what the fees were before registering with the club (if not you should have asked). You can't just refuse to pay now that you want to switch clubs... and pay the new club's fees. Now if Club X has no stated policy, you may have an argument.
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    I guess I'm wrong about this. In looking up the stuff @ScottyBoy posted, there is a form R006A that must be filled out. On it, it asks if there are fees owed to the club.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/my.llfiles...-Registration-Year-Player-Release-Request.doc
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    you can force a release anytime and you do not have to pay , US Club does not enter into club to club disputes over payments.

    If the player’s former Club refuses to release the player, and the new Club has obtained a written registration form (#R002) from the player and his parent, they should complete Form #R006A and contact US Club Soccer.

    As stated in the previous post, parents just have to dispute the monies owed and away they go. That being said some clubs have "gentleman agreements" so if you leave one club with a debt the other club will not enroll you because of that debt. Depending on those agreements it may or may not work for the parent, most clubs do not honor those agreements so the control is completely in the parents hands.
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    US Club will release the card yes, but NorCal may rule in favor of the club and not allow the transfer. What is the reason this player is leaving Club X? The new club should be cautious with adding a new player who is in a financial dispute with the previous club and do their homework because they could be next if this is simply a difficult family. I'm not saying this is the case here, just that we are only hearing the OP's side not Club X.

    Is Club X asking for Fall to be cleared up or the current spring season? What is the amount due? Does Club X have a written policy on the matter if yes, was the policy agreed to in fine print when registering? How much $$ are we talking about?
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    I'm not aware of the " NorCal may rule in favor of the club" I have never heard of this happening, where a club said to Norcal parent x owes us money and wants to move and Norcal saying "no" and actually telling a receiving club you cannot register this player. I could be wrong here but I have never seen this, can anyone speak to this.
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    In this scenario, we were recruited in late in the Fall Season. The club's registration and payment system does not accommodate pro-rated payment, so the DOC and other club affiliates came up with and communicated a payment method that enabled in to register and minimal monthly dues. As far as I recall, and I am validating this, the club never supplied formal communication of the total dues at the time of registration and signing. Had I known that they do not pro-rate, I would not have signed on. In fact, the communications I have indicate and instruct me to sign up for the minimal monthly payment to accelerate the process as they felt my DD would add immediate value. As the season progressed, the club treasurer sent out notices of the full amount due for the months where past services were provided, which we paid. Upon our recent request for release, the club is requesting the full amount due for the entire season including the Spring, even though we will not play in the Spring or State Cup due to the challenge of logistics. They are holding the player card/player ransom until we pay the entire season dues. If I pay the full amount to them, I do not have the budget to pay the dues at the next potential club, so we are sort of stuck. Speaking with members of the board, in a effort to appeal to folks for empathy and or just reasonableness, the feedback was that they did not want to set a precedence for this. From my perspective, it's simply a money grab and to some extent a vindictive jab. I was seeking a sort of amicable separation as overall there was no reason for the negative relationship. By forcing payment and doing the ransom thing, they have forced a sort of negative situation which in my view was avoidable.
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    @bendit thanks for the summary it helps. In your situation I can see a compromise where there is gray area in the fall so paying the remainder in fall should be enough for the release. This is just one of the many reasons I don't like the NorCal tryout rule where clubs now feel they can get you on the hook for the entire year. If the club is not a good fit mid season, you should be able to move on. I think NorCal did this so players would remain on the same team through StateCup.

    My suggestion would be to agree to disagree with Club X offer to pay the remaining Fall Balance and ask for the release. If Club X refuses then I think your right, its just a money grab, hold payment and ask NorCal to step in.
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    Again.. happened with a player on a team that i was affiliated with. Disgruntled parents, still owing money to the club, wanted out. Coach and club head threw that same 'rule' at them saying that the fees they owed needed to be paid off first. Turned out it wasn't so. After getting everyone involved, through the proper channels, all they needed to do was ask the coach for their player card. He gave it up.. pissed.. but he had to give it up.
    IF i remember correctly, it was all in the wording. The parents continuously stating they wanted out and coach/club saying 'pay your dues first' was just relationship bickering. They needed to be specific and ask for the player card.
    I will add that the player was playing on a new team, new club, in a matter of weeks
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    I thought NorCal rules were express that a club may hold passes if fees were owed. I also thought US Club Soccer often would overrule that and permit the transfer. Sounds like either I was wrong to begin with or I am wrong now b/c the rules changed.

    Of note - the players who are NOT moving are impacted by the player who moves so it is rarely as simple as it being unfair to the player who wants to move since that player's departure can wreck a team and when players commit, they commit to one another (not just player to club).

    @bendit - if your kid was recruited as you state, the club that you may be going to acted unethically unless it received DOC approval from your current club. That puts you - and your child - in the middle and that is not fair to you. All clubs - unless they are SOLELY GDA (are there any?) or SOLELY CalNorth - are subject to NorCal's recruiting rules. And those rules are pretty clear about no recruiting other than in defined windows.

    I hope it works out for your kid and her soon-to-be-former teammates.
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    bendit New Member

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    In this case, the club holding us hostage was in violation on the recruiting front - they invited us to practice while we were with another club. This club, club X who we supposedly owe money, has violated several rules. I am trying to avoid a messy separation and quite frankly I don't understand why they would go this far over $400. As of now, we have not moved on but I did pay to get her released as I don't have the time right now to fight it and I would like to get her to another team.
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    'Invited you to practice while on a diff club'... only one current club and set of coaches that i know of does this. Often. Also the same coach that i have been speaking of. Good luck to you and never feel bad about a messy separation if they are the ones being a bit anal about it.

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