PDP vs ODP?

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  1. Stang

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    I believe all these programs are very beneficial for kids but ECNL began deleting the talent pool for ODP by creating their own ECNL ID2 program for the top players. It's possible GDA will further dilute ODP but ODP's biggest issue is the high fees they charge for events.
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    anyone know the fees for events last year maybe 3-4 of them, compare between PDP events and ODP events and let everyone know.
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    That’s a bit like comparing apples and oranges because ODP throws whole events and with Pdp they just travel to a tournament hosted by someone else. ODP includes airfare and was more days and in the $1000 range, Pdp $350 I think for 3 days and no transport. Pdp international trips a couple thousand. So pretty comparable per day, just really different what they offer.
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    ODP championships in Arizona was $1000 for 5 days and that included everything (airfare, hotel, food, transport). Regional camp was $500 for 3 days (food and hotel included but it was local so no airfare was needed). So they were basically just covering the cost, not marked up much.

    PDP hasn’t had any travel events for my kids’ age groups yet, but last year they considered taking teams to Manchester Cup in San Diego in May. They gave a cost estimate at the time but I don’t remember how much. I think the expense would just be whatever was needed to cover the costs. The regional play dates don’t cost anything (except gas to drive to Davis or Vacaville).

    ODP charges $100 to try out and I spent another $250 on required travel attire/backpack. PDP doesn’t have those expenses. Travel events for both ODP and PDP are optional, meaning you can participate in the training but don’t have to opt to travel.
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    dd did both. PDP was like a job to her, ODP was fun. In the end she was scouted at a college showcase. My ROI was excellent however once the athletic/academic awards came in ( zero FAFSA......I know people like adding when asked)
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    Spot on. ODP travel dependent on location & number of days ($700-$1000). Our experience, PDP = gas money, as Soccerfan2 pointed out. While $100-$125 for ODP tryout, the training frequency is significantly greater than PDP.
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    Does anyone know what do odp and pdp coaches look for in their ID tryouts to select players for national camps? I was told by a coach that knowing people in these organizations or club's influence pushing for their players has a lot to do in their selection and many times skilled players are overlooked...pdp Id tryout released the list of players that were invited to national camp last week. In the 03/04 girls groups there were no MVLA ecnl players selected for national camp. The invitee list to this tryout had 7 players from mvla, but none were selected for national id camp. I noticed there were two players from pleasanton rage invited to this tryout and both players were then invited to national camp. Now can someone explain to me how #1 ecnl team in the nation (mvla) has no player invited to pdp national camp and pleasanton rage that is in last place in northern California, last in California and way down the national ranking in ecnl has both players invited to national camp? I know Blin (doc of rage) is involved in both pdp and odp, but can a club has that much influence in player selection and if answer is yes, then is it worth it to send your kid to these programs?
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    Talent evaluation is an imprecise science at best, regardless of the sport. Pro-baseball teams have many scouts that they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and who evaluate talent full time. And they still get it wrong.

    Yes, if the evaluators have a relationship with someone, and that someone has a good track record of identifying successful people, the evaluator will listen to the recommendation. But in the end, you have to show it on the field.

    MVLA has as good of contacts into US Soccer as anyone, so IF (and that is a big if) the decision was based on coach recommendations, then, well, Albertin and Erin didn't give their players sufficient press.

    More likely is that every coach out there said, "Hey look at my player--she is good at X or Y." And the evaluators looked, and during those few minutes they were paying close attention, they didn't see what they needed to. That is just a fact of any evaluation situation.

    US Soccer wants to win, and they aren't going to make decisions based purely on politics.

    Anyone around soccer long enough knows that sometimes a team that absolutely should win gets beaten by a team that shouldn't have beaten them. That is the nature of the game. This happens in tryouts too. Also, some evaluators have preferences for a certain style of player, or are trying to build a certain kind of team, and if you don't fit into that, then you won't get taken.

    If you feel your daughter should have been selected, and wasn't, the only thing she can do is prove them wrong. Get mad, don't get sour grapes and complain about how life is unfair.
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  9. Youth Sports Fun

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    We felt that the PDP was "clicky" a couple of years ago, although my daughter was chosen to participate, she decided against it for that reason. She enjoyed the tryout experience of ODP much better as more girls from more locations at the initial tryouts. Again she was lucky enough to get picked and has enjoyed the experience. What we have noticed at this point is that some girls still get picked for certain aspects of ODP (Travel/Regional Camp/Regional team) on what seems to be previous recognition, not continued better play. That isn't to say they aren't still really good and possibly deserve it, but that the other girls that are coming on in growth (physical/skills/mental) have to do a little more to push that girl out of her position.
    Some girls also don't participate in the travel aspects of both ODP and PDP because it conflicts with a club tournament or special training
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    My daughter's experience 100%. PDP terribly run in our region. Not because of the training, per se, but because if you're a bully, you will completely thrive in this environment. Example: 13 y/o Girl with strong personality and lots of "friends" in PDP orders girl with fewer teammates to play a position in a scrimmage she doesn't usually play.

    Now there is nothing wrong with playing a position you don't normally play, but its not up to some nasty 13 y/o girl to decide who plays what, moan loudly when a player she doesn't like is assigned to be her teammate, mock the coaches behind their backs, never get disciplined, and gets rewarded over and over because, well she's "big" etc... Eventually lots more of my kids team/club mates joined PDP and the experience got a little better because she had her own posse, but not at all due to efforts of the training staff.

    I've known/talked/carpooled with at least 15 girls who have done PDP in our region. 14/15 hated it but went because of the recognition/perceived opportunities. Known a few D1 commits drop out because of how miserable it was. The kid who loved it.... the bully, shocking.

    I know that teenage girls have a tendency to be mean given the opportunity. Its part of the age. Anyone who coaches teenage girls should have some concept of this and put in some effort to mitigate it. Simply having the coaches decide who plays where/when and not some random kid would have made a lot of difference. PDP has totally lost touch with the adolescent girl experience.
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    well, to be honest, it never really had it in the first place. But spot on.
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    What year ODP is your daughter playing?
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    Does anyone follows the odp interiginal tournament in boca Raton?
    Region iv (west) 04 team came in last with one win and 3 losses.
    04 clubs in norcal have many very talented players.
    I go even to say we have some of the top players and top teams in the nation.(ecnl national champion.and many teams in the west in top 10)
    I know most of the kids from the top team do not participate in the odp...but why?
    I looked at the 04 roster from west and specifically players from the norcal clubs that I am more familiar. It seems majority of the norcal players are from non ecnl clubs and a few that
    are from ecnl are from teams that are at the bottom of their conferance and bottom of ecnl national standing.
    Why odp does not try to send a team that represent the west better. I know older girls drop off of odp but what about younger teams?
    What does odp needs to do to make this program better and send a more competitive teams to national events?
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    All programs are diluted due to GDA, ecnl, id2, etc.
    My dad always had fun at ODP although the coaching wasn’t the best. PDP was not fun....coaching was good.
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    My daughter did both ODP and PDP. I remember when ODP was the only game in town, so to speak. It seems they got a bit greedy and complacent, which is part of the reason PDP came about. ODP was far more expensive than PDP as well. ODP even charges for try-outs! (PDP is free). Years ago my daughter went to the ODP Region IV playoffs at Reach 11 in AZ. The cost was $1000 for a 3 day trip. Parents had to pay airfare AND uniforms. PDP has regional tournaments that cost nothing. They also would do exciting things like have Japanese players come here or vice versa. Once other avenues opened up for player exposure (ECNL, ID2, etc), ODP just wasn't worth the cost.
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