PDP vs ODP?

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  1. folsomsoccermom

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    Should players attempt to do both ODP and PDP if they have the opportunity? I know that PDP trips are fully paid for and ODP is not. It seems like in the latest list for the PDP dates over the next two weeks has a lot of overlap with ODP players. I have some questions if anyone has the answers.....

    1. Does PDP feed the ID2 camps more than the ODP teams?
    2. How do you get invited to PDP? I have heard it's DOC recommendation and separately that it's only through scouting.
    3. If your name is on the invited list is it a tryout for the pool or will be going every month?
    4. How often do they add names to the pool? Throughout the year or in the summer only?
    5. Is there a way to find out who the coach is for either the PDP or ODP age brackets? I haven't been able to find this information.

    I haven't been impressed with ODP in the past because it seems like a lot of money they are making and the pool didn't even have regular practices last year. Not sure what people's experiences with PDP have been. Since it's FREE I am sure some people's opinions will be more positive. To me I am more interested in the consistency of the program, coaching, how unbiased it seems etc.
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    Coaching staff for PDP 2015/2016 can be found here:
    http://www.norcalpremier.com/pdp/835863.html
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    Both have their negatives and positives.

    1)PDP feeds into ID2 which feeds into the US pool rosters. Id2 is like ODP region pool camp.

    2) ODP feeds into the US pool roster

    3) PDP has better technical training, especially if you are from a small club. For mustang and de Anza kids it's just another practice to them w new kids.

    4) ODP has better regional events and camps because so cal is very involved so u get to play w the best. PDP does a state camp that is just another state PDP in another location.

    5) ODP coaching is not the greatest until u get to region camp at which point it is better than PDP.

    My advice is do both until someone forces your hand.
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    I have always given the same advice for years

    Which ever program will play and like your player!!!!

    It does no good to ride the bench in either program. So if you choose , choose one that will play and provide opportunity.
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    If your kid plays NorCal then it's very difficult to make the ODP schedule work unless you are ok missing a lot of your club stuff. It's almost impossible to do ODP and PDP both unless your kid does not have any life outside of soccer at all. Pdp play dates seem strategically timed with ODP practice times (or vice versa.). Quality of training varies greatly region to region (pdp) and team to team (ODP). ODP is very expensive but there's more to it at the regional level (opportunity to travel etc.). Some clubs don't support ODP at all, so participating can cause some grief at the club level.
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    My daughter has done PDP, ODP, and US Training Center and we made it work. She's had to miss some club training at times and when conflicts existed we made an educated decision as to which would be of greater value. My daughter loves ODP and has reached great heights there. My biggest grievance with that organization is the cost. It is very prohibitive and they are seriously shooting themselves in the foot by making it so. ODP for her hasn't really been about training, it's been about playing with some quality players from all over the country. It has also given her great visibility. PDP isn't so much about visibility. It's about training and playing with quality players. They are still trying to tweak the program and are doing some good stuff and if ODP doesn't reduce cost and increase training, I can see PDP slowly chipping away at them. US Training Center is about intense training and visibility.
    So - you can do all if you manage your time and know what you're getting into. And, yes, my daughter does have a life outside of soccer as well as a high gpa.
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    IMO, after watching my dd go through all of these programs I really don't think practicing 1x per month is going to make your dd that much better. The real training occurs at her club.

    PDP training 3x per week appears to be helping. Ask the De Anza players. Hmmmm. Perhaps that's why everyone is going there.
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    @zinger......what else is there to tweak. If other states aren't doing PDP they will NEVER have a regional event like ODP.

    ECNL PDP seems to working however.
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    PDP is under fire for being used as a recruiting tool by its coaches. Some clubs have gone so far as to say they will not allow their players to participate to avoid having their players poached.
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    Training once per month isn't going to make or break your kid, but it is an opportunity to work with new/different coaches and highly skilled players. At the club, you work 3-4 times/week with the same coach and players. These 'breaks' allow the player to hear a different voice, experiment, and learn new things which they hopefully then implement at the club team.
    PDP does need to expand throughout the US in order to capture a wider audience. The lack of games with other States and Regions minimizes their reach. But the fact that they use club membership fees and sponsors to pay for everything is fantastic. It allows families that could not afford several hundred/thousand more for ODP.
    I'm glad you feel ECNL PDP is working. We have chosen not to go the ECNL path and I don't feel my daughter has been hurt by that decision. Glad there are several roads that lead to similar ends.
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    No question PDP is a major poaching grounds. Players befriend other players. Parents interview other parents. It happens all the time and no gives a crap about the dumb no recruiting rule. De Anza sure doesn't.
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    Cost for ODP is ridiculous. Get rid of the cost, being in some college coaches to coach and we have a winner!
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    I suppose depending on where you live relative to your training is doing all 3 (ODP, pdp and MTC) could be feasible. Obviously it is a personal call on how much soccer is too much soccer and/or how much driving is too much driving. My experience is that ODP, pdp, MTC, and an ecnl schedule is too much soccer, not to mention the headache of prioritizing the conflicts, which inevitably leaves some coach/parent or teammate ticked off, too.
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    I suppose depending on where you live relative to your training is doing all 3 (ODP, pdp and MTC) could be feasible. Obviously it is a personal call on how much soccer is too much soccer and/or how much driving is too much driving. My experience is that ODP, pdp, MTC, and an ecnl schedule is too much soccer, not to mention the headache of prioritizing the conflicts, which inevitably leaves some coach/parent or teammate ticked off, too.
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    I guess I don't get the poaching complaint. Parents talk. Kids become friends. Good players want to play with other good players and be trained by good coaches. Short of coaches offering something in exchange for coming to their club/team, how is it poaching?
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    Good players (and their parents) that aspire to play in college will always be looking at the best opportunities to develop and reach that goal.
    In most cases this means moving to a better team/coaching or participating in PDP, ODP, MTC, etc.
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    Calling it poaching is subjective to a great degree. However, when a PDP coach's team suddenly becomes a magnet for talent, and the players he draws are in the PDP program, well...I'll let Brad Pitt say the rest:

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    I think it's as simple as the fact that once a good player has exposure to high level play with high level coaching she has no interest in going back to receiving instruction that consists of, "take it all the way!," "big kick!," or "clear it!!" and/or to playing with players who either aren't as committed or don't have the technical ability to play at a high level.
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    Are there some good coaches in PDP, yes, but some look even better when they suspiciously have 3-5 PDP/MTC players on their roster the following year. The word is spreading quickly. I would not be surprised to see norcal sweep this under the rug.
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    This thread now I think answers the question of why NorCal can't compete with SOCal -- they allow recruiting, while not only is it prohibited in NorCal, but there's a perception that it's a bad thing. Who are we protecting with a no recruiting policy, exactly?
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