PDP/ODP options for later bloomers

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  1. Fußball Vater

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    What are the options for players who may develop at later ages? From what I can tell if a player is not identified and in these programs by the U11/U12 ages, their only options appear to be to try break into the programs at the state levels (or at least Norcal's "state" level). This seems to be a disadvantage for those players who may not have developed physically or technically until U13/U14. Is this accurate? Does anyone have any suggestions on how a late bloomer can break into these or similar advanced programs? Thanks for your thoughts.
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    Your DOC can recommend your dd to the state PDP pool, MTC or she can tryout for ODP. There's also the NPL PDP for older kids.
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    Basically, if your kid has become really, really good, and seems to have the potential to get even better, then you should be able to get the Coach/DOC of your club to sign off on getting a tryout and then PDP will want your kid. If your kid is just really good, then the politics kick in as far as how much clout your Coach/DOC have, and how good and how connected the other kids at your kids' position are. The "age factor" or "newcomer factor" will probably be a disadvantage because I think the system perpetuates itself, and if your kid and a kid already on PDP are about equal, then they will probably keep the kid who is already on PDP and send your kid packing.
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    Completely ridiculous and lazy way of running the program. To think that you are going to get the best kids at U10/U11 and then never pick up any additional players unless a DOC goes out of their way to make a special request. Kids try out for club teams every year for a reason, because better talent comes along and kids who made the team last year don't make it anymore. But PDP can look at 10-year olds and know that they are going to be the best talent in the area for years to come?

    They should have tryouts at the beginning of each year, just like every other team/program in existence.
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    there is a "tryout" and cuts are always made it seems from who is invited event after event.

    I would never go out on the limb and say its "fair" but after being around so long EVERY system is flawed just by its nature (competition-limited spots, many takers).

    I would suggest trying and trying and trying and hope someone champions your player or they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are awesome.

    NEVER GIVE UP!

    I also tell players , see the player in front of you, i want you to take their spot and their minutes , so do what they do but better, work harder than they work and get what you think you have earned.
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    From my first hand experience the PDP program is top notch. My child played ODP. Then switched to PDP after the first year of ODP becuase of cost and lack of development. PDP accepted my kid even when not from the Norcal League. He was one of the smallest players on the field as well. They seemed to truly follow there mission statement during those younger ages with regard to looking for skill, not physical size. It even led to succesful ID2 and state pool camps. I am very very supportive of the PDP staff and how things are ran.
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    No system is perfect. Doing 100 kid tryouts with multiple coaches there will always be differrnt opiniond. My kid missed and made PDP teams and kid should always use as motivation and stay Positive.
    PDP does allow for submit of new recommendations minimum once/year but also mid year if developing talent was somehow missed. If your kid is really very good get that confirmation from your own club DOC. You might be surprised how good other players in region are. The DOC can always talk to PDP, so much depends on your own club coaches willingness to have conversation about your kid. Younger age PDP starts now even earlier but is also done at u13/14 age.
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    That's great that he has had a good experience with PDP and was able to get in after the initial phase. Just wondering how he was allowed to tryout for PDP if he was not from NorCal league? Didn't he still have to have a recommendation from a DOC?

    This is what I have observed thus far: if you are at a club where you have intelligent DOC that understands PDP and what they are looking for then the system can work for older kids who "missed out" earlier on and knows how to work the system. Unfortunately, in my experience, the majority of clubs have DOC who don't get it at all at any stage of the game. Instead of sending the most highly skilled kid with the potential to play at the highest levels after they go through puberty and get some size/strength, many DOC send who they see as the most successful players in their age group, -- their top team high scorers at U11. So they send the biggest, fastest and strongest kid who can chase a ball down the fastest and boot it the hardest and score most often. This kid may not be able to do any skill moves or get out of tight spots with the ball, can't execute a pass over 50% of the time (and usually doesn't try), but great physicality and/or speed and can get shots off. Coach and DOC think the goals don't lie . Then they are surprised when PDP rejects their kids and they may even stop nominating many/any.

    These types of clubs sure aren't going to go out on a limb to nominate a smaller kid with excellent skills and an advanced field intelligence -- they don't see how this kid could possibly make PDP if their "star player" can't.

    The additional problem also is you are typically selecting players who have only played 8 v 8, and some players may not shine until you get to 11 v 11 play.

    I realize any program is flawed, but it seems to me that they have set this up in a way to be certain to miss the majority of "diamonds in the rough" by relying on the DOC referral at these very young ages. Sure, you find some of the kids, but the rest of the slots are filled in with what is left to choose from at the initial tryouts.
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    Norcal Premier is ran by coaches, if the system was truly what you say it is , the coaches have the power to change if they want too.
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    It probably depends on what you mean by "smaller." If the smaller kid can "play big" then she's viable. By that I mean that she can play without her smaller size being noticeable. For example, Crystal Dunn of UNC fame is only about 5'1", but you wouldn't know it by how she plays.

    If a player is very skilled but gets blown off the ball easily, she very likely won't be a top player at the highest levels. There's a pretty big allowance for physical play in the women's college game. To some extent, the selection committee should consider this.
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    Its all within the power of the coaches.
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    Not true, my DD is small about 5'1"-5'2" and was knocked off the ball a lot at ulittles. It's easy to gain strength at uolders.
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    It's all in the legs. Work hard on the squats and dead lifts. I know a short muscular legged player that's incredible and his name is Messi. Not sure if girls want legs like that though.
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    Having watched pdp playdate last weekend.... average girl '02 was probably taller than boys. And probably 'bigger' legs. That will hopefully change as they get older than 13....
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    Check the rosters of the top 25 college teams and then take a look at the U.S. National Team and tell me how many 5'1" girls you see on the roster.

    I'm with you. I prefer a small, tough, technical player to a large, unskilled player. But the seduction of size weighs heavily on college and USWNT coaches.
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    The way we play the game in the US gives large, fast players an advantage. There is not nearly enough ball movement in the US game. In addition, we play direct so most of the balls played forward are 50/50 balls which a big player will usually win. Youth players are encouraged to hold the ball and take on players 1 v. 1 at just about anywhere and anytime on the field.

    So in College, big kids can hold the ball too long successfully and play direct successfully while small players struggle. If we taught the game around ball moving, possession and creating space, small players would be fine but we do not.
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    The trend could be changing. If, you research the height of the current U17 WNT. I think 60% of the players are on the smaller to average height 4'11"-5'5".

    http://www.ussoccer.com/us-under17-womens-national-team/latest-roster#tab-3

    My DD is smaller and still committed to a Power 5 conference university..
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    Yah, I had only heard of the Power 5 Conferences, Pac 12 being one of them but looks like you corrected that. Regardless, there are small players out there that are successful. Most are built like a brick shit house but I am skeptical that the trend is changing. The World Cup will be an interesting.
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    A smaller player has a lower center of gravity and typically is more agile and quicker. Throw in some muscular legs and you have something there. Although the direct smash mouth game of the US wins games, it's boring.
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    Yes my DD is committed to a Pac-12 school. There have been a few smaller players not built as boulders. Rachel Quon and Caprice Dydasco come to mind.

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