NorCal Girls YNT Representation

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  1. dk_b

    dk_b Well-Known Member

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    When I saw TopDrawer's highlight of the U14 player from this area and how she's done at the U14/U15 YNT camp, I thought, "hey, about time we have a no rivalry-, no territorial bias-, no GDA/ECNL/NPL/USYS argument-thread that just highlights some of our youth players" (would be good to have one for college as so many Northern California players are leaving their mark - some terrific frosh but NorCal players are up and down rosters all over the country).

    Recently wearing the Red/White/Blue . . .

    U17s - Angie Anderson (Mustang) and Maya Doms (Davis) represented the US in China this past summer and Sophie Jones (Quakes) joined them at the recent camp/friendlies v England. Who will join me in rooting for these girls to be part of U17 World Cup Qualifying? (qualifying is in Nicaragua during the Spring; WC is in the Fall in, I think, Uruguay)

    U16s - Michaela Rosenbaum (Santa Rosa United) and Leah Freeman (Mustang) each started the US's bounce-back game v Germany just yesterday. After a loss on Tuesday, the US won 4-0. This is Michaela's 9th or 10th camp with the 02 group while Leah joined them this past July.

    U15s - Kellie Pagador (Placer) and Andrea Kitahata (Quakes) return for yet another camp as these two are becoming young veterans.

    U14s - the first camp for the 04s (though some 04s have been up with older teams) (I want to see the 04 who has been playing with the U16s - two international trips already for the girl from MA) and NorCal was well-represented with Meka Doyle (Quakes), Elise Evans (Quakes), Bridgette Marin-Valencia (PSV Union), Allison Montoya (MVLA). I feel like I'm missing someone but from what has been discussed on other threads, I doubt the local 04s will be limited to just 4 (which is incredible - 1/6 of the camp!)
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    Just a few weeks since the start of the GDA, and already over half the GNT invites come from it. I guess its proof that the USSF development platform is far superior to anything that preceded it. It took the USSF GDA development platform weeks to beat the accomplishments of the ECNL, which has been around since 2009.
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    GDA did nothing in terms of development.....girls simply moved over from ecnl or NPL. Same damn coaches
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    I'd venture a guess that ol' @TJsoccer was joking (and taking a poke at my comment of keeping this positive w/no GDA/ECNL/NPL fighting).
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    But it's no joke for ECNL that US Soccer has so quickly established GDA's advantage through YNT camp selection.
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    Only an advantage for those that want to be on the WNT. At this point I don't really care if GDA takes over. I'll continue to take the stand that GDA is only FOR the less than 1 % and they don't really care squat about the remaining 99%. What are they really offering the 99% if it's not for free?
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    I own it. My bad.
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    Oh I don't know. Those are pretty predictable NorCal picks. The ratio is just a reflection that top players were split at this point I think.
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    The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
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    This is just friendly discussion :)

    It is exciting to see so many NorCal players doing well! I'm more impressed by the college successes than camp participation but that's just me. It's all great!
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    Look how well GDA is at identifying new, previously unknown talent!

    Every single player except the U14s had already been invited to a national camp

    And the U14s? There is no way any of these players ever would have been found without the GDA. I mean, they all come from super-obscure clubs like Quakes, PSV Union and MVLA.

    What a truly a ground-breaking success!
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    I'm glad you finally get it! :)
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    What is even the point of youth national camps, especially at U14-15? Kids change so much it seems pointless to tag some as potential future national team players.

    Out of curiosity I found a 2009 U14 national camp roster (birth year 1995). Almost all of them played in college, and more than I expected at power schools. But how many of the field players have been called up by the WNT? None. Which means US Soccer missed all 5 field players born in 1995 who have been called up so far. And based on my very quick (and perhaps imperfect) analysis, they also missed most college All-Americans, as only two grew up to be 1st-3rd teamers. One U14 camp goalie has been called up, but I think that is a different analysis.

    Sure, Mallory Pugh and probably some other WNT players have attended U14 camps. But if US Soccer knew Pugh was great when she was 13, I'm sure they would have known she was still great at 17. What on earth are they doing spending hundreds of thousands of dollars flying 13 and 14 year old kids all over the US and the world?

    I'm pretty sure that girls youth soccer at all ability levels and age groups would be best served if US Soccer just stayed out of the way until college at least. What I've seen out of them thus far are: (1) busting up virtually every youth team in the US by changing age groups for no reason; (2) trying to break up a highly successful ECNL on the cheap, but botching it completely and in doing so, destroying entire soccer clubs; (3) trying to make elite girls soccer cost prohibitive and otherwise inaccessible for most (why should 15 yr olds fly to freakin' Utah to play a league game that won't even be competitive?); (4) creating what is essentially a bizarre reverse offsides rule because their small sided rule changes weren't working; (5) significantly increasing injury risks with GDA's 4 day/wk mandatory training, inflexible substitution rules, and 90 minute games. Can anyone tell me why it is a good thing for a 15 year old girl to train four days in a row and then play two 90 minute games over weekend?
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    There is much in your comment with which I agree, @Handball! Handball!

    The way I see the younger camps - like id2 - and the purpose of this post was not so much at identifying talent that will remain elite in 8 or 10 years but, rather, to celebrate nice recognition of these girls and, by extension, our region. I don't know many kids (and parents of them) who would say "no" to a call up and while I'm sure many are looking at their calendars for the 2027 world cup, most I know are realistic. Even one kid w/whom I recently spoke responded realistically after coming back from camp - "wow, you probably were at camp with a couple of players who will play in the world cup some day even if you don't know who". Response: "or no one". Kids are pretty aware - especially when they are surrounded by such talent. They KNOW that there are others out there at their level and that they need to prove themselves every time to get a new invitation. Just look at the fact that new kids are always attending camps (which means someone is not) or getting a first trip or first int'l appearance (which means someone is not).

    Every camp is a new opportunity and if it were the case that any scout nailed it 100% of the time so that a team of picks is the same at 14 as at 24, I'd say that scout is not doing his/her job. But maybe those 95s helped push those 5 who were not at camp in 09. Maybe the carrott or the competition or the camaraderie at state level trainings or w/in their club. These are snapshots in time - great memories for the girls and, perhaps, part of a great future in the sport.
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    I'd like to add: 6) insane number of missed school days due to the crazy schedule; 7) no life balance due to no time for anything BUT soccer.
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    All good points. @dk_b I think the point was more cant this money be better spent if the goal is to advance women's soccer.

    I usually agree with you so while I agree celebrating NorCal success, I can't say I buy the idea that it a motivator in anyway to kids who didn't go. And I'm sure it's hard to say no, until high school when you've got to balance the value of a camp and missing a week of school with the reality of grades suffering. Not to mention once commited the value of camp goes way down for recruiting purposes, obviously.

    I say scrap camps under u16 and hold more regional camps run by the actual national team coaches.

    But since they do have them, I'm on board with cheering those kids on. The added value to getting recruited is huge even if they never get anything else out of it besides the camp experience.
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    I agree with all of this. I think it's great for those who get invited.

    It looks a little like the 2009 roster was used as the recruiting source list for UCLA and UNC, which can't be too horrible. But whether the goal is to provide UCLA with a recruiting cheat sheet or to identify future national team stars, US Soccer would probably have the exact same success rate if it only invited the entire SoCal Blues roster every year.
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    I agree on all points. And I just noticed that ECNL is doubling down on "marketing" its clubs and players-to-watch with 2017-2018 previews: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2017/08/22/2017-2018-ecnl-conference-previews/ -- if ECNL stays focused on doing what it has done extremely well the past several years, it will get through this year in a very strong position to negotiate with US Soccer on a potential merger with GDA.
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    The primary failing of the Girls DA is their desire be independent. They have to cast too large a net and include too many teams to do so. Some of their other problems are fixable. I don't see how they fix this one short of "merging" with ECNL so that they have reasonably local games. Have the DA teams play a year up in ECNL. No need to travel so far to be challenged. If they are as bad as Burlingame, pull their DA membership. When other ECNL teams travel, the "DA" teams can travel to play other out of area "DA" teams. Keep the DA events and forget about the DA league. This merger will happen because it's in the girls' best interests and egos will be put aside - as always.

    Interesting stats on the U14, 2009 camp attendees. It wouldn't bother me nearly so much if they at least did it in the summer when school is out (for most).

    Training 4 days a week isn't necessarily an issue in terms of injury. Training intensity can be adjusted as needed. Also, that's 2 fewer days a week than PSV has been practicing for some time (years?) now. I find the 2, 90 minute games a weekend a bit of a joke compared to what happens in the ECNL environment. Consider the MVLA 04 team. A year ago (2016), they played 60 minutes of soccer, twice a day for 3 straight days at Surf Cup. That's 120 minutes a day for 3 straight days. They turned around on 3 or 4 days rest and played another 5 or 6 games in 3 days at Mustang. The DA hasn't failed in this regard. Surf has now backed it down to 5 games in 3 days for the two teams that play in the championship. This summer MVLA 04's only played 10 games (600 minutes of soccer) in 9 days between Surf and Mustang. I guess that's progress.

    The subbing rules don't bother me nearly as much as many on the board. The teams that let the ball do the work more are rewarded with fresher legs at the end of the game. At the highest levels, soccer is not played like hockey with line changes (unfortunately the DA imposes this on too many who will never sniff the highest level of soccer). But, I prefer the ECNL subbing rules that don't allow re-entry in the same half - especially for the younger age groups - U14 and U15.

    I have to wonder how much research went into the new small-sided rules. Have these rules been in place elsewhere? Did they "field test" the rules to see what the game actually looks like?
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    I agree that is a problem with their implementation...the need to be independent and beat ECNL drove them to pull in clubs that just aren't competitive. I think that will resolve its self over time. But I think their fundamental problem is how they defined their mandate. They should be credentialing coaches, clubs, leagues, and showcases. They should keep leagues open, local, and cheap (as possible) and not participate in making them more closed and more expensive. We will see, but I believe this will contribute to a decline in participation....especially as it removes the stud players from the HS leagues that get the media attention.

    It will be interesting to see how it goes. Talking to a friend at Placer, the cost didn't really hit him until he had to fly down to LA last weekend. Placer built a great club selling against the ECNL travel cost..."invest in your kid, not in plane tickets". Not sure if we will see some turnover there.

    For the small sided rules, I've heard rumors of GK's serving up "baby bounce-y's" to their defender to have them boot it up the field (negating the point of it), but I think most coaches are trying to implement it correctly. It gives the defenders a few more opportunities to trap, use a skill, and pass it up the field.

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