Next season?

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  1. FindTheNine?

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    Thoughts on movement at the older ages next season? DA looks to stay, and while lots of people have complaints it seems generally most parents/kids are relatively happy? Or are we going to see movement? If US Soccer revokes it’s grandfather clause policy in hs, will seniors in DA stay anyway?

    As I’ve said here I don’t like DA but I don’t see my kid moving. Six months ago my prediction would have been different. Curious what other people’s sense of things is.
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    Won’t say it doesn’t stay but when multiple doc’s around the country are having private meeting about re-joining ecnl, it’s not a good look for us soccer. 2nd year I think will matter to fix some things or more chatter will occur

    I don’t see them changing the HS soccer ruling but just my guess. They don’t seem the types to change many beliefs. It will likely win out but the stupidity and ego of people running gda is astonishing.

    I don’t think anyone is staying on their team because of the league. It’s because of teammates and coaches.
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    I’m curious if there will be a breaking point on cost. This DA season is penciling out to about $10,000. That’s pretty mind blowing.
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    Ouch!

    They will at least need spread the events around the nation. Unfair to make CA teams go to NC and FL every year in my opinion. You could have a CA DA and be better off!

    That's brutal but I guess ECNL is only 2k behind or so.
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    ECNL Showcase in Phoenix this weekend and DA Showcase in North Carolina this weekend. Phoenix in the 90s and NC cold and rainy. Curious to see how the college coach turnout is at both of these events. Coincidence that they are the same weekend?

    As to the original question, I agree with soccerislife: most players, especially the older ones, will stay where they are because of teammates, coaches and because it just doesn't make sense to keep moving around especially since the 01s and older have already dealt with so many changes during their crucial HS years. I think DA will still let DOCs decide about HS soccer and many in NorCal will let the older girls who want to play HS, play. Not as sure about how DOCs will handle the incoming freshmen. What happens at 03 and younger will be very telling as to what NorCal parents/players think of DA. Although MVLA girls in that age group who are playing ECNL will definitely stay put! At least that's my prediction.
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    Will be interesting where the coaches go for sure. I can see one program sending coaches to both.

    Agree on letting DOC decide HS for kids. Incoming freshmen and below get the fun choices! or someone will make it for them.

    No reason for any MVLA 03 or 04 teams to leave to DA. Good situations with those 2 squads
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    If GDA is in equal footing as the boys our girls need to be subsidized just like them.

    GDA falls apart and what’s left will be so cal GDA and the earthquakes. Earthquakes can then become part of so cal da and travel every other weeeknd to so cal to play.

    Meanwhile ecnl girls will be having fun and playing multiple sports and HS soccer. :)
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    My understanding of the boys DA subsidizing is that they're directly tied to MSL teams AND the MSL teams get first rights to drafting when they're done playing in college. Not sure if the boys DA teams that are NOT affiliated with an MLS team gets the same subsidy. At EQ, committed seniors do not have to play for registration or travel fees. Nice perk for those who have spent a ton in years prior.
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    If ecnl can promise a league for 2nd teams, there are DA clubs that will jump back to ecnl.
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    I don't get it...why would ECNL have second teams? The league is supposed to be for "Elite National Clubs" not mediocre...They have clubs for second tear teams..it's called NPL.
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    Agree. I know it means money staying in your club if all kids who didn’t make first team stay but that’s all it is. In so cal it could be different based on their normal league set up.
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    In some Age Groups NPL had better teams than ECNL in Nor Cal.

    There needs to be an open system and stop rewarding some of these mediocre clubs in ECNL.

    These closed systems serve people that can afford to pay to play and not top players or coaching talent.

    I would like for someone with time to analyze this 2000 class to see who actually had the best committed class in Nor Cal. I would think some NPL clubs would have better classes than some of these ECNL clubs.
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    What does commitment have to do with best clubs? Kids pick colleges for different reasons and as you said it, some NPL teams have a better track record that ECNL/DA. Santa Clara and Elk Grove, are two good programs that send kids to the next level with no ECNL/DA affiliation It would be hard to argue that there are no better clubs to be affiliated with (in terms of getting kids to the next level) than EQ, MVLA, Mustang, Davis, and even San Juan, here in Norcal.
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    From PASC's Facebook Page - 99G Blue. Last I saw, they had #1 rankings on GotSoccer (for whatever that is worth). 14 of current 17 on roster committed. Several 99s graduated last year and went on to play in college. At least one of the current players isn't committed because she chose to attend Stanford. I don't know that comparing classes tells us that much, but this NPL team has been successful in all leagues (other than ECNL and DA) and at the most elite tournaments.

    Haley Chitwood - UNLV
    Josephine Cotto - University of Pennsylvania
    Laura Fuentes - San Diego State University
    Caroline Kearney - Occidental College
    Kaitlyn McIsaac - University of Puget Sound
    Kayla Morales - CSU East Bay
    Natalia Nava - San Jose State
    Sabrina Nava - Seattle University
    Lily Perryman - Boston University
    Poonam Ranu - San Diego State University
    Ally Scheve - Swarthmore College
    Zenit Siddiqi - Notre Dame de Namur
    Hailey Smith - Washington State
    Aundria Vargas - University of Sioux Falls
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    As is often said on here, it depends on how you define success. If the goal is scholarship money and all these girls got that, it’s success. If the goal is using soccer to get into an otherwise hard to be admitted elite academic program, this list isn’t very impressive.
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    My understanding is that it is predominately the former. Most of these girls are not your typical Palo Alto/MP/Atherton/PV player who is hoping that soccer will be the way they get admitted to a highly-selective college or university.

    I agree that success is not definable in one way, which is why comparing different teams/clubs in terms of where the players go is a wasted effort. As a comparison, the PASC 98G Blue team, which was a very good team although not as successful soccer-wise as the 99G team, had a much lower percentage of players go on to play in college, but that was because the majority of those players chose colleges at which they could not play soccer (e.g., Duke) or went to a college of their choosing where they could play soccer (e.g., Colby). Two teams with players who had very different goals for what they wanted in terms of college/soccer and also who likely had very different financial situations that affected their college decisions.
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    I didn’t mean to imply the girls accomplishments aren’t impressive - they are very impressive. Just goes back to the whole what’s important to each kid/family varies a lot. These kids all apparently had similar goals and met them. My kid has always wanted academics over soccer, but still wants to play, it’s just a secondary consideration.
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    That’s a good tea no doubt but how often does a pasc have anything similar? Overall, the bigger clubs are more consistent. It’s a terrific for those girls and team though!

    There has been examples of normal club teams non da/ecnl who do really well. Pasc 99, Juventus 96, sporting 93, west coast wild, Elk Grove 02,etc. I think we’ll always see this cases since the talent level is high in California.
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    One player in region 6 committed to UCLA without the benefit of DA, DEZA, ECNL, NPL, or even Norcal premier's lower leagues. The 2019 graduate committed to UCLA as a midfielder out of the USA Stars program (and ODP, to be fair). I expected the USA Stars website to put it all over the place, but I guess the player is no longer in their program. I suppose she is preparing herself for LA traffic; leaving the Stars, avoiding Placer, driving past SJSC, and going through downtown Sac and across the causeway. Davis Legacy gets a nice sky blue logo for their commitments page.

    The player's parents help found the USA Stars and served as its president and board members. Maybe UCLA put pressure on her to join a larger club, or maybe they grew tired of the antics. It seems like everyone LOVES The Stars until they HATE The Stars.

    https://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/ncaa-womens-soccer-commitment-announcements-september-2017/
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    It is not at all unusual to love a club, like what it does, and to put time and effort into it, and still, in the end, realize that another club is a better situation for your child.

    Happened to me twice. The kids started in a tiny club, for which I volunteered and served on the board, but my kids eventually outgrew the situation there--they loved their coach and their teammates, but it was clear that they had advanced beyond the situation there.

    I don't hate the club in any way. It isn't clear to me at all that this family hates the Stars, or was even unhappy with the club in any general sense. But sometimes the right thing to do is move on with no hard feelings.
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