Girls DA clubs announced

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  1. ECNL

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    I’ve given many reasons why I thought GDA would fail. If you read forums in others states, they are the same reasons. NO crap being thrown.

    US Soccer is arrogant. I can’t see them continuing a 2nd tier league . They will fold this thing up and give a bogus reason why they had to do it short of admitting they really messed this whole thing up.

    What will happen to the quakes inspire conjecture on my part. Deza’s history is movement whether it’s his doing or someone else’s. You don’t see Blin, Doyle or Montoya moving a lot do u? I think I’m spot on.
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    I totally agree why the GDA could fall, but they'll just keep adding teams and it will be a glorified NPL. The crap I'm talking about is all your predictions. High School soccer will go away and they won't have it anymore. Rage building new fields will attract talent all over norcal. College coaches look for players with great "leaping" ability (that's not a prediction, just an absurd comment) and it's similar to having great technical skills, good shot.

    A) EQ girls side will fold. Almost all of his former DA players from the 14's and 15's (who played for him last year) have now reunited and come back to EQ (well a majority of them). They are consistently sending kids to national camps. All of their teams (minus the 19's) are ranked in the top 10 in GDA, and they have now added an EQ platform for Norcalpremier. That hardly sounds like a club that is about to fold. Worst case scenario? EQ rejoins ECNL, Rage is out. That's actually a good prediction (kidding-sarcasm).

    B) Deza would leave to be a free agent. You have NO clue as to why Deza left EQ last year or the inner dealings with De Anza, as well as his move from Griffons to De Anza. People switch jobs all the time and sometimes its on their terms and sometimes it's not. John Doyle was running EQ and just a name in only Director of the Mustang club. Don't think that he's actually (well while he was working at EQ) in the trenches, coaching, directing...that job is a piece of cake and can be run by an automated service. John's a good dude, but he's pretty high level-30,000 feet kind of director.

    As for Blin, why he hasn't been fired is beyond me. When he first took over Rage they were on par with Mustang, and one could argue even better. What he's done (or hasn't done) with hiring coaches, lack of development, and allowing Rage (over the last 6 years) to pummel to the depths of the abyss is an absolute tragedy. And don't give me they have one team that's tops cause it doesn't make up for the other 3 teams that's not very good. There's a lot of talent in the Tri-Valley area and it should have NO problem getting, keeping and developing players. Rage kids go to Mustang, EQ, Lamo and even San Ramon. That's embarrassing. As for Montoya..he's in a class of his own and it's a co-partnership with him and his wife. So why leave something so good; getting paid, producing winning teams, sending kids to NT camps. Who knows how long Deza will stay at EQ or the state of the team in the next few years. I do know that the club is about to explode because of all of the stuff that's happening there. You're hitting the target and close, but not spot on kid!
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    How do you have a league with 4 teams!! To me, that's the most ridiculous part. Lots of travel and money to find good games for Quakes is a shame
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    I’m curious to see how the older age groups react to Andres taking a lesser role in coaching though. For the committed girls, maybe they move on. Luciano is great but they don’t have the relationship with him as much. Uncommitted kids will stay for Andres’ deep connections on the girls side for college. If you live close of course you stay, why move, but for families driving a long distance? Does it have the same pull, especially with the (once again!) age group split? Going to be interesting to see the movement if any after the season ends.
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    I’m curious to see how the older age groups react to Andres taking a lesser role in coaching though. For the committed girls, maybe they move on. Luciano is great but they don’t have the relationship with him as much. Uncommitted kids will stay for Andres’ deep connections on the girls side for college. If you live close of course you stay, why move, but for families driving a long distance? Does it have the same pull, especially with the (once again!) age group split? Going to be interesting to see the movement if any after the season ends.
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    Yah, it's hard to come into a new program (those coming in new) and get brownie points. But I think the bottom line is Andres/Luciano's main goal is to try to find a good fit for all the players in the program, new and old in places where they'll succeed. If they can get all the kids committed, then that's a selling point for potential future players.

    While it's true that there's not much money in the 2018/2019 classes you can still find a great place to get an education and still get some money. As for the long distance kids that are already committed....? I don't know...If you're in the national pool, obviously you want to stay...but if you're not? Maybe find a closer club.
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    Well; Iran women finally allowed to watch World Cup in public; maybe USA gives GDA same rights as boys/men’s academy -
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    Have the children in Silicon Valley been replaced by robots? Why else would the EQ's need to recruit so far away?

    And did the EQ's hire a Marin coach and then ask the coach to turn over a list of contact information for players of the club....a list they used to recruit from?

    Maybe they are recruiting those girls for their MLS team. Seems like they could use some help.

    http://www.norcalreferees.com/incidents/edit/gmp84gxzzkbva/?-page=2

    Type of Incident:Ethics
    Match Number:0
    Date of Incident:2018-05-08
    Time of Incident:03:30:00
    Location of Incident:via email
    Competition:2018 National Premier League
    Home Team:Unkown
    Visiting Team:San Jose Earthquakes
    Age Group and Gender:U11G
    Team Affiliation of Individual Committing Incident:Unkown
    Incident Summary:Allegation that the Earthquakes approached several Marin players during the season to inquire about their interest in playing for the Earthquakes DA.
    Comments:Individuals who move from 1 club to another should not share contact information that they obtained through working at the previous club. The PAD Committee does not rule on the recruiting allegation as Marin did not seek punitive action.
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    U11 recruiting LOL
    Always amazed parents / clubs issues on youth sports recruiting across the board. silly to have the word recruit in youth sports. It’s a pay to play platform no sponsorships/no scholarships; everyone pays to play
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    I agree. Its not really "recruiting"...its just selling the program to prospects. That said, I think anyone waving the DA banner should have respect for the local leagues, clubs, and teams. And, find other approaches to identification other than hiring dudes and asking for their contacts.

    On the other hand, Norcal Ethics rules should be scaled back to allow players to find out what is available to them prior to tryouts. If they sent out the emails at the beginning of May and the tryouts were at the end of May (not sure on that), then is it really recruiting "during the season"? Seems like a DA should be able to reach out to players at some point and let them know about an opportunity.
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    Thought per GDA rules a player has to receive current Club / DOC’s permission to attend a GDA training (that’s what’s my daughters BFF’s had to do); transparency. Maybe I’m wrong
  13. TJsoccer

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    Dilution seems to be impacting this forum....not only has it killed the ranking and "s-talking" posts between rival clubs/parents, but it seems to have caused the forum to completely spread out! I have to scroll right to read posts on my 21 inch monitor!

    I'm sure you guys have chopped this up already (searching the forum is killing me), but this blog post hits the nail on the head for me:

    https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2018/8/1/17640800/is-the-gda-ecnl-war-getting-nastier

    I appreciate that the author recognizes the shortcomings and benefits of both platforms...and explains why they are both so dug in (The "pro ECNL" crowd doesn't recognize the abuses that the platform allowed to exist, and the "Pro DA" crowd won't admit to that the USSF entry is a complete fun suck.)

    Interesting tidbit:
    Just this past week, the US Girls U15 national team announced its roster for the CONCACAF U15 Championship--and it consisted almost entirely of girls from GDA programs and only one girl from an ECNL club (a forward from Mountain View-Los Altos SC). Perhaps there is a better explanation for this--but this sure looks like a deliberate snub. If the national team is excluding or ignoring players for not choosing to play in the GDA, this needs to stop--now.

    Not suggesting that the one ECNL girl doesn't deserve it....but it does seem like the DA would greatly benefit in Norcal if MVLA made the decision to jump in. Maybe foreshadowing, or maybe the DA is trying to sweeten the pot for the decision makers.
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    The new format is totally annoying...I agree that having to scroll this website is not fun. lol so be it!

    The author says "If the national team is excluding or ignoring players for not choosing to play in the GDA, this needs to stop--now." I can't disagree more. The two organizations fulfill different purposes. And while the GDA could have squashed ECNL had it not been for a couple major rules (HS soccer and sub rule), it let the ECNL get back in the game, well for participating clubs. GDA's focus is to evaluate and train kids for the national team pipeline. ECNL is competition and college exposure. Which is more important? I was telling a friend this morning that the USSF should start a National academic academy where it's year round training, year round school. and centrally located. They would hire the best coaches and make it seem like a professional setting. Kids would not have to miss 60 days of school a year, and those who don't care about HS sports or the sub rule an join this platform. It would be the national pipeline for the US national team and ONLY the committed would be a part of it. ECNL on the other hand would be the premier HS-->College recruiting tool for all other people interested in playing at a higher level. There would be possibility fore kids from ECNL to move to the national team, but that wouldn't be the primary focus.
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    "If the national team is excluding or ignoring players for not choosing to play in the GDA, this needs to stop--now."" i believe ECNL when they where the only game in town has several articles showing the correlation between their program and the national team like it was THE funnel to get there. Either way, both programs ignore looking at the entire field of players available and will continue to do so until we have true regional centers in the US.

    Again, both programs are unnecessary, we only need one, and we need one that doesn't exclude CLUBS (which both ECNL and DA do) but allows players to join on their own merits, after all, isn't it about the players.
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    This just in: the NFL and NBA have decided to just draft players from the SEC.
    It’s been determined other conferenc s can’t possibly have any talent to help them.
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    Touche!!!
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    If the GDA's MAIN purpose is to develop players for national team play, then I disagree that there needs to be one. The problem is that it's going to take a long time for development to happen. I was told that a new director of development for the USSF has been hired to create a standard curriculum (he's from France yada yada yada) and should be implemented effective this year. Focus is on technical development and tactical possession. The two have distinct emphasis (or supposedly): one is showcasing talent for college with a sprinkle of ID and the other is to build for NT participation. I don't think that one will have priority over the other for NT selection when it's all said and done. Too many good players across the USA in ECNL to ignore.
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    US Club weighed in on this concept of picking GNT kids from the GDA league. Obviously they don't like it:
    https://usclubsoccer.org/2018/08/11...-soccer-board-of-directors-to-our-membership/

    @soccercritique's approach is the only one that would work. If the USSF has a specific playing style that relies on years of a certain curriculum, then it would make sense to only pull from the GDA to avoid the retraining. But, that wasn't the case with the U15 GNT selections....or the GDA kids that were pulled up onto the U20 team that was just eliminated. Its just another bad look for them.
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    I dont believe the ECNL would agree with you "ne is showcasing talent for college with a sprinkle of ID and the other is to build for NT participation" i believe and their marketing pre DA was BOTH, just simply put we have the best players!

    It is interesting to see ECNL cry foul about the DA exclusivity when they themselves promote the same style, by excluding clubs and thus players. I frankly don't believe that the two programs are that different.

    Simple, one league with the highest level for these type of players and then everyone else

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