Girls DA clubs announced

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  1. TicTacToe

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    It's actually very comical how you think that everything you say is true or reality when in fact it is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. I think it's fairly obvious that you have something against Rage and other clubs, and think EQ's are god's gifts. For instance the younger's program at Rage u-9 to u-13 do very well. 3 of those 5 teams finished in the top 10 in NorCal for State Cup, 09's, 07's, and 05's. And yes we all know you are going to say winning at the younger's do not matter, and blah, blah, blah, they don't play the right way, only if you win at EQ's at younger's matters.

    Oh yes you also say Rage ECNL has finished bottom 3 in every age group for the last 5 years except for 1 year? Are you talking about this year?? u-13's - 2nd, u-15's 3rd, u-16's 3rd. But then again you say results don't matter and only about development when convenient. Yes we get it, you like to Flip Flop back and forth whenever it suits you. That's funny.

    You also like to say rip off? Really rip off to you? Rip off to who? Rage also consistently sends players to play college soccer. Every year they send 6, 8, 10, players that go on and play college soccer for the past 10-15 years. That's not a rip off to those parents and families, and maybe some of them actually enjoy the program.

    Basically if it really makes you feel better and helps your insecurities then go ahead and keep talking bad about all these other programs, Rage, Mustang, Davis, Santa Rosa, MVLA, and whoever else that you would like to. But in all honesty it doesn't leave a good look for you, and makes people wonder, are you Deza? Haha!!

    And yes I forgot you are an expert in soccer because you are from another country and your great uncle, grandpa, and long lost aunt played semi-professional soccer somewhere, sometime. Let me give you a little advice. The great thing about soccer is there are many different ways, and styles to play the beautiful game. You like to criticize anyone team or club that does not like to play the same way as the EQ's? You must be kidding. That is just a very ignorant mentality. There are some teams, and clubs that maybe do not want pass the ball 100 times before taking 1 shot. And there is nothing wrong with that, and doesn't mean it is not good soccer. Yes Spain has a certain style, Germany is similar, but also different with some direct play involved, Brazil has a little of both with some more creative individual play or ginga. All different styles, but not one better than the other, just different opinions.

    It might help yourself if you are a little more open minded, and then you will not seem so insecure. soccercritique or should I say Mr. Deza, you don't have to get upset every time someone isn't praising the EQ's. Just a thought. ;)
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    From my outsider POV, Rage does a lot of administrative-foundational things very well. It runs a hugely successful and popular recreational program with a lot of local community support, that Rage successfully leverages into feeding large amounts of the most talented girls into the younger competitive age groups via all-star games, weekly "pro trainings", assessments/rankings, etc. Pleasanton parents and kids are insanely loyal to Rage, as well--they'll happily sign their kids up for third or fourth teams and play at silver/bronze with first-year-college-grad-coaches (effectively supporting the top teams) rather than play at a premier/gold level team ten minutes away. In sum, Rage is a well oiled machine at the younger ages .. and I don't think there's any club that would not want to have Rage's community/recreational soccer platform.

    So it's really no surprise that Rage's top younger competitive teams consistently have success.

    I guess the problems start creeping in as the kids get older (u-12 and up) and Rage can't as easily leverage its recreation program. [[snip]] Having the ECNL tag helps, but at that point, performance/player-recruitment is probably more about the coaches Rage can bring in than the community/recreational soccer foundation.
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  4. soccercritique

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    Don't get offended that I called out your golfing/tea time buddies...I have never proclaimed that what I say is 100% true...but I do state the facts. Yes I may have gotten this year wrong about Rage but look at what they've done historically...What I said is that my family have ties to soccer in Latin America...Deza is Spanish...not that an entitled person like yourself has probably ever taken an ethnic studies course would know that Spanish people are EUROPEAN..not from Latin America. We're not all the same even though we speak similar languages. :D As for not knowing what I'm talking about...my neice played for Rage and we know a lot of younger kids that currently are in their program. We know what Walter, Darin and David can bring to the table. I've seen Darin and Walter first hand run practices many times...We know Rage soccer. lol

    Everything I said is mostly true lol. This year, yeah they're doing better than before but in the last 5 years, with the exception of ONE team, have they ever finished very high. Normally, every team is in the friendship bracket of playoffs. With that number of kids, they should be unbeatable...similar to Mustang. Why is it that Mustang has good competitive teams in every age group, and is top or neat the top in every age group and Rage isn't? Same demographics. Look at the history of Rage since 2014: 5th, 5th, 4th, 4th 2nd. 15-16: 6th ,5th and two 4th. 16-17 couldn't find standings but overall club record: 29-51-17 (impressive). This year is the enigma where you actually have competitive teams (or at least on paper). Can you answer why they haven't' been competitive? Maybe you'll blame it on not having lights, poor fields, too hot, too cold..everything except the proof that's in the pudding...development.

    You say that your team does well in state cup (Top 10! Yay!)...they better be winning state cup...they're an EFFING ECNL program! Thats like saying the GS Warriors should be winning the NCAA championship...totally stupid comparison and only proves my claim that you don't know soccer, even more! I do say that development trumps winning but your program ONLY wins at the younger age groups and anyone that knows local soccer, knows that at the older ages groups, something happens. I would theorize that its all in the training that goes on there. You talk about costs....When you put a lot of time and money into a program and have the athletes that you do, I think that while I'm happy kids are continuing their education, sending kids to CSEB, SFSU, CSMB are not what these parents/kids expected when initially signing up. Out of the "Big" clubs, look at where Rage places its players compared to overall college placement-Those are facts my friend and you don't make up that crap...it is what it is.

    As for anything related to soccer, thanks for the advice but I don't need yours. It's true that there are many different styles of soccer, but none play the crappy way that USA men and women play. Women can get away with it because they're more athletic and more established. Everyone knows that. English football is kind of direct style but even they still possess very well. ALL of the European and Latin American countries possess but know when to punt the ball. I"m not suggesting that Barcelona style is the best and ONLY way or EQ, LAMO, MVLA is the only way....and if you read my posts you'd see that. But you get offended that I call out American soccer for what it is...very athlete focused (less technical and more strength/speed) and that other countries (especially on the girls side) are catching up AND they won't be able to sustain for much longer. Shoot, on the guys side they're trying (VERY HARD) to possess more or play a more balanced style. So it's not about EQ great best platform, best in the planet...I've never said that. PLEASE read what I wrote Mr/Ms. Dotard...I ORIGINALLY said that..nevermind you can reread if you'd like.

    And for the record, I never said anything bad about mustang, davis, mvla, SR. What I'm saying about Rage isn't bad either! It's pretty accurate...only a homer would see otherwise...DOH! ;)

    I have an open mind, a very open mind! It's unfortunate that Santa Rosa no longer has the sheer numbers to be as competitive as they were. back in the day they were VERY good. Mustang as their record proves is in a class of their own. Davis, MVLA, LAMO, and EQ, were clubs that I said were at the forefront of developing talent, both technically and tactically. A lot of clubs do a lot of things good, and some don't. My question for you is this...what IS good soccer? When was the last time you saw a good youth soccer game? what does that look like for you? I really wanna understand or maybe my standards are higher but I just don't see it.

    Oh and for the record, EQ doesn't have all of it's teams in the top 3 in each division....BUT look at the other things...Scholarships, access to college coaches EVERY training, strength and conditioning coach, trainer at ever training. We (you weren't in the initial conversation) were talking about what separates clubs from the other. I just mentioned what EQ had to offer. I just love talking soccer and keeping it real. :)
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  5. soccerislife

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    "But I can't stand Deza"
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    Lmfao greatest post of the year! Haha I literally LOL’d!
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    Interesting opinion piece article on merits of DA:

    https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/us-soccer-girls-development-academy-ecnl-uswnt-challenges

    One thing I've never understood was the rationale for the crazy subbing rules. It just doesn't make sense to me how no re-entry could possibly be a good thing, particularly for development. DA Director Miriam Hickey gave this explanation:

    “We do believe in our standards,” Hickey says. “We don’t believe re-entry for U-14 and older enhances player development. Soccer is a game where players are expected to make mistakes, both technical execution and decision-making. For players, knowing they’ll be on the field for an extended period of time gives them the opportunity to be creative, self-correct mistakes and learn from them. Many times players are subbed after they mess up so the coach can discuss these mistakes with the player, and that results in players being scared to make mistakes.”

    To me that is a crazy explanation that makes no sense whatsoever. It also doesn't address those players who get 15 minutes a game (or less). Does Miriam Hickey really believe what she is saying? If so she is totally out of touch.
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    All she cares about is the girl who will help them win u17 World Cup hence here answer. Not literally everyone else!
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    The last part is the worst. Coach pulls kid out and tells them what to fix then puts them back in. That makes them scared to make errors? Yikes
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    I know, right? What the heck??? I had to read that several times to make sure I was reading that correctly. A coach taking a player out to discuss what they did wrong (called "coaching") is a bad thing? Versus what? Having them sit the bench for 90% of the game if they aren't a starter, or having them play 100% with no break and no feedback during the game. I mean, is it Opposite Day?
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    I also read it twice. There is no logic to her rationale at all. And it’s a cop out to not ask or address the significant increased injury risk by those sort of mandated minutes.
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    Another added part is showcase scheduling for college coaching. Heard all u16 example were same time!!! So a kid may get seen for a half if lucky. So many issues :)
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    This past weekend EQ U-14 played down a player for 30 minutes in Seattle as the EQ coach had subbed all his subs (3) around half time, basically splitting the game so all players got good field time (which seems like the right thing to do). Then a player got a calf strain and had to come out. Good soccer turned to Crossfire boot and run to try and score an equalizer for 30 minutes. The EQ girls hung on to the shutout and won the game.

    So what exactly is creative or self-correcting about being down a player for 30 minutes in what was a close game? Exactly how does that develop players from either side other than the track meet which occurred every time the Crossfire backs got the ball?
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    Last year’s U17 Rage team took 1st place in ecnl
    And dominated the division which included mustang, Deza/Luciano trains players at de Anza, etc. was that kick and run luck?

    The U15’s and U16’s are doing well, the former going to nationals. The U18’a after a slow start
    Haven’t lost a game and recently beat a very good Davis team. Is that luck? Good development? Good coaching?


    Who cares how many kids form Deza make the pool. If we look at how many actually get the call up it’s 1 for MVLA (mcgrady) and 1 for Deza (Davidson). Who cares about the middle.
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    I think a lot of people care because it's kind of proof in the pudding about how well his program is developing players. We are talking about development, right? Because we're talking about development of the national team, TOP to BOTTOM (I know that's a foreign concept for you but it does happen in a lot of places and clubs). If that's the case, don't have youth NT's and only have a WNT. Is that what you're suggesting?

    As for your club, maybe there is more development that's going on with your u-18 team! I don't think it's luck, to be honest. That's good to see but you also have to look at the teams your playing. only 3 out of the 6 have winning records and two of those teams you tied are just above 500. How well your 15's and 16's play at PDA will determine if you'll be in the Champions league (15's should be in and 16's are on the bubble). 16's play on good team and two with losing records. Hope they do win and get to go. Again, it could be good development, could be good coaching, or just playing bad teams or a combo of all of it! In any case, good luck!
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    2128"Who cares how many kids form Deza make the pool. If we look at how many actually get the call up it’s 1 for MVLA (mcgrady) and 1 for Deza (Davidson). Who cares about the middle.[/QUOTE]

    Actually everyone should care what’s in the middle. Foundation of a quality player (any club) is being taught in the middle, development is in the middle - let’s get out of the thinking we don’t have to put in the early or correct work (the grind) to be better.
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    Looking at the overall scope of GDA and their key principles is out the window to me (min 4 days training/more meaningful competition/Int’l Sub rules/better coaching/accountability/reduce pay to play model)…one think that sticks out like a sore thumb and currently being implemented is their quote “89% of YNT players/ID’d/ Call-ins are DA Players”. It’s sad this will be the kool-aid card US plays over ECNL; only magnifies the upside pyramid we have in place
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    ECNL did and does the same thing in their marketing "Around 90 percent of almost every YNT camp over the last few years has been made up of ECNL players, including Mallory Pugh, who moonlighted for the full USWNT while still being a part of Real Colorado’s U18 side." So i see nothing wrong with that marketing as everyone does the same thing to market their respective program.
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    I don’t there is a right way to play soccer just as there is not a right way to play basketball, football, and baseball.

    Deza’s style is very attractive but a fast athletic player who can out run a Deza trainer player and has just enough touch to deflect a long ball into a favorable position to score is valuable also. Is it not worthwhile to develop the skill to play that way too?

    You can teach touch and possession but you can’t teach athleticism and speed. And yes, leaping ability is part of athleticism. Especially when a player can jump above everyone else in set prices....I.e. wambach.
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    In a country the size of ours you should be able to field a team of players who can do both.

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