GDA Subbing Rules

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  1. FindTheNine?

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    anyone know exactly what they are? I can't find them.
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    What are the substitution rules?


    The rules governing games in the Girls' Development Academy match the rules that govern soccer games around the world (FIFA). For example, allowing substitutes to re-enter a match, which is common in high school, club soccer, and collegiate soccer, is not allowed anywhere else in the world, thus the Girls' Academy will align with the rules governing the world's game.

    http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-faqs
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    This info is from a discussion in the Socal forum.
    Substitution rules:

    no re-entry;
    seven substitutions across three “opportunities” for U-14/15;


    five substitutions across three “opportunities” for U-16/17 and U-18/19
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    Thanks. So in every DA game with 18 rostered 2 players won't play at all. Am I understanding that right?
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    But I'm sure they haven't told you that yet. Right?

    For me, if you're not top 13 or so, you won't seeing the field a ton. If top 13, no problem.
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    Not sure how accurate that is - I did some quick (non-exhaustive, somewhat random) searching but each international event that I found included free substitutions (including the recently completed Gothia Cup ("No team may use more than 18 players in a match, 11 players on the field and 7 substitutes. A substituted player may reenter in the match"). I also found events in Hungary and Barcelona. I have not found country-by-country federation rules and have to run to a meeting so can't do much searching.

    Limited substitution is not really conducive to development, in my opinion. How does it hurt for a coach to pull a kid out, give a few instructions or things to work on, and put the player back in? I get that the laws do not provide for that in international/professional competition but at the youth level . . . seems logical to me.

    So not sure about aligning with the world's game. It might at times but there are clear exceptions to that rule.
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    Was told of the no reentry rule, the only 5 subs I don't recall hearing. With full rosters headed in to Surf I guess all is DA parents will see how that works out. The "if you're in the top 13" comment is dead on. If my kid sits on the bench a whole game it's tough to stomach, both developmentally and for the ego (hers and mine.)

    The substitution rules are completely in conflict with development. If they don't change them I t will kill the GDA. Way too much money and all the kids there are talented so they won't stick around without playing time. "Great training" only gets you so far. These girls all hopped on board because they (or their parents) think they're that good. When coach's playing time doesn't reflect that they'll go back to ecnl without a thought.
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    One of the worst element of the DA by far.
    There are many positives within DS but there is really no reason not to allow at least one re entry. I understand they want to limit the disruptions and tactics we see in tournaments but they say players have to learn to manage conditioning for full game. I have witnessed many DA games and it works great for your star players but absolutely stinks for number 7 and below as they see 50% or less playtime. Even though they are really not that much weaker than the kids playing constantly full minutes. Given that boys DA on older levels are truly selected and exceptional players, I could not see my son suddenly going through season wondering whether he even plays a match and if he plays it will likely be limited minutes.

    To me this showed that US soccer really cares for their potential national team players who will manage their full minutes. The remaining good players, tough luck.
    But they all have to give up high school sports as well as the fun tournaments where they might actually hold a trophy and exhaust themselves to limits with joy of team achievement.

    NPL got the rules right. US DA should have adopted those.
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    You've seen the boys' side? Im curious, why do players 13-18 stick around? Are they subsidized? Or truly believe a professional career could happen (less delusional on the boys' side than girls' at least) I guess free boys' DA training might be worth it. GDA is about $15,000 short of free.
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    Like girls and parents, it's cool to be on a DA. For the boys it's HUGE. I've had family friends whose son played on a academy bur barely played for 3 years. Decided to quit his senior year so he can play HS soccer. It was the best 4 months of his soccer career. Just one example of course but if your not playing much, it doesn't make sense to me if you're in an area with decent options. Might as well go find a decent NPL team, play HS soccer, and be on the field often. IMO at least.
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    Can gda gals do odp this year ?
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    I am sure the answer is 'absolutely NOT'... at least on boys side the only outside play you could do is in July. But recommended is to rest at least for players who played a lot.
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    Well... many full academies are fully funded and this is of course a valid argument. But not all are. And it is truly the highest level, so there is some prestige. And realistically best track to national team and professional sports. D1 colleges look at Academies first as well if that's the goal. But you better play during your junior year. Or early in senior year. Some boys academy rosters are actually well over 20 players with 2 years combined on one team.
    It truly is a full commitment on time though. What we experienced is what I would expect European academy teams do. Practice almost every day. Plus video sessions and homework. Match or scrimmage every weekend. But with large roster also constant reminder on how important hard work and training performance is. It takes some fun out of it for sure. And even though it's highest level. This is still the USA and not many care about youth soccer and most would know difference between gold state cup and national academy showcase.
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    Nope. You can't do any individual programs like ODP, PDP, ID2, etc. Only your GDA team who play in a few select events should their be a DA division. They own you now. Sorry!
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    Agreed. Lots of sacrifice for soccer. To me the main question was "does he and I still have fun'? Playing and watching games is the fun part let's be honest. This is why we spend all this time on road. Winning is fun. Training should lead to playing and having fun.
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    what's wrong with playing on a good NPL team and them get 4-6 elite girls together and hire Deza/Ireland or someone equivalent to train on the side?
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    Gosh, for a girl - who will never make any money as a soccer player other than possibly subsidizing an education that could actually lead to a life long lucrative career - DA seems ridiculous. At least boys have the outside (yes, waaaay outside) chance to be millionare superstars. There's no brass ring for the girls at all. Have I mentioned how much I hate US Soccer lately?
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    I can't speak to boys DA but GDA it is cost prohibitive in out area to watch your kid play soccer now. It sounds shallow maybe but that's a big minus. The only games I can afford to see are Bay Area teams that probably won't be meaningful.
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    So glass half empty = ODP and PDP will get diluted ?
    Or glass half full = Kids that otherwise may gotten overlooked in the incumbent politics will have more opportunities ?

    Fishing a bit here, but deciding whether to do the tryout thing again which in the past has led to disappointments and subsequent ego rebuilding.....

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