Feds allege coaches bribed for school admission

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    Another chink in the armor of the pay to play system. I"m sure EVERY college in America where kids who weren't even getting looks will get second guessed as to why they are on a team. Some may be legit-meaning may not have been playing for a big club that places people in college (do i need to name these clubs or will i be accused of being Richard Williams-Serene and Venus' father) and yet fell under the radar. It really is too bad because sometimes kids know about what s going on (full house lady) and some kids have no clue and think they got in on merit alone.

    In the end, it's really hurt the reputation of the kids involved-clean or not. Adults got to live their lives and unfortunately, these kids will have to live the rest of their lives with this stigma attached to their resume (be honest how many people have googled people when hiring someone?). Let's say we played in a no pay-to-play system (like other countries). Do any of you think this would be happening? I think it would actually open doors for kids who don't have the financial resources to be on an even playing field. I'm guessing this isn't only happening in a lot of non-head count sports as i'm not sure head count sports (football, basketball, volleyball, women's tennis and women's gymnastics), have roster spot athletes. I know they have walk-on's but you have to already be admitted to the university for that, I think.
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    This Onion article hit it perfectly:
    NCAA Launches Investigation Into Why It Wasn’t Making Millions Off Recent College Admissions Scandal
    https://sports.theonion.com/ncaa-launches-investigation-into-why-it-wasn-t-making-m-1833381271

    The only reason this is a scandal is because of the dirt bags who received the money. If somebody wants to pay $100k to get their idiot kid into a school for their own vanity, it should be allowed. Call it a "Presidents Exemption" or something and let the idiots buy their way in and watch their kid party themselves right out there. Use the money to fund scholarships for the deserving.

    I love that the ex-USC women's coach is back in the news. His dad supposedly gave USC 14 million for a coaches salary endowment. Then dude got fired and started taking $25k bribes to help kids into school. There has to be so much more to the story.
    https://dailytrojan.com/2011/08/31/usc-women’s-soccer-to-benefit-from-endowment/

    The USC women’s soccer program received its first ever gift of endowment thanks to generous donors within the Trojan Family.

    The Mehdi Khosroshahin Head Soccer Coach Endowment will provide the salary for the university’s head soccer coach and begin a $14 million campaign to assist soccer student-athletes.


    “This generous gift of endowment is particularly significant to our soccer program as it marks the first gift of its kind to this sport,” USC Athletic Director Pat Haden told USCTrojans.com. “This endowment will go a long way in helping ensure the success of Trojan soccer for years to come.”

    Mehdi Khosroshahin is the father of current USC coach Ali Khosroshahin, who is the only coach in Pac-12 history to win a national championship in women’s soccer.
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    It's a slap in the face of the thousands of girls who train their butts off, play club soccer, travel to tournaments, are committed to the sport, and would die to have a spot on a D1 roster. And to say, "Oh maybe she was just a practice player" is BS. We all know as soccer parents there are plenty of girls out there who can play the game.
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    Senior college apps coming back this month is the biggest buzz…hearing daughter’s classmate w/ 4.00 – 4.40 GPA’s / 1300-1400 SAT’S getting denied from their dream colleges or only getting accepted to a few (State and Univ’s) is heartbreaking and disturbing. The college app is a biz itself and should be limited…Avg # of apps is 75K (avg) X $50 per app (avg) = $3.75M raised; creating a monster itself. All these students do exactly what they say “Get great grades, SATS & work on your school resume” and they can’t house them all.

    The Aunt Becky’s have been going on for years filtering down to youth soccer and coaches / DOC’s like Cromwell should be investigated. If its 110% obvious it’s up to no good.
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    The player's UCLA roster page has her as a 2013-2014 WBAL all-league player. The WBAL page would have been trivial to check and is here:

    http://hs.wbalsports.org/alsocg1314.html

    Of course, her name appears nowhere. But my daughter's and several of her teammates' names are on that page. That's pretty enraging.
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    I was reading the article and the club she allegedly played for had NEVER heard of her. Again, in the end, this totally hurts the kids who may or may not have had a clue what was going on. Can you imagine the kid if she did't know, thinking all along she was doing all this stuff on her own merit? Full house kids withdrew from USC because they were afraid of being harassed. What a debacle...
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    In this UCLA thing, I guess I don't believe there was someone else who would have been picked if it wasn't for this girl who's dad got her in with the bribe. I certainly don't think there was someone else who would have made the travel team. If the coach didn't directly receive the bribe, but was told by an official that she should take the kid "for the good of the program", then she should be in the clear. College coaches do club DOC's favors all the time by taking a kid that they otherwise shouldn't...for the sake of securing that relationship for the next crop of recruits. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time a kid was taken to secure a donation.

    The only reason these non-revenue sports exists is to keep the NCAA's anti trust exemption and for Title 9 compliance. If these sports could fund themselves through selling admissions to parents who's kids couldn't get in otherwise, then I think it would be a positive. Selling admissions to watch the game ain't cutting it...let alone the lost revenue from scholarships. Make it above board is all...let the money flow into program.

    The problem is the lack of capacity in these schools (and the ugly sister...$$), not the few that cheat the system. Just because a kid works hard at a sport, doesn't mean they should feel entitled to an education at whatever school they want. If its for the love of the sport, play city college and get it out of your system before going to a University.
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    There is enough evidence on the UCLA thing for me to think that it was not for benevolent purposes though I hope that the HC did not take any $$$. The men's coach was indicted over this so it was not a favor to a DOC or to secure a donation to the program but to justify the bribe Salcedo received to secure this person's admission. For the program to keep her on the roster for some odd appearance purposes (despite having a # that was out of synch, being the only rostered player not in the team photo, being shot with a different jersey, having a bio nearly devoid of soccer references (and the one reference being made up) . . . at best, that is doing an ENORMOUS favor for the men's coach. I hope my concern is misplaced and the men's coach perpetuated the fraud w/o the women's coaches noticing (hard to imagine) or that this girl actually WAS a rostered player (also hard to imagine) who attended practices.
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    I'm not saying that the bride didn't get player in, I'm just saying that the UCLA women's coach may not get fired for it. The directive to keep the player may have come from the AD office (like what is alleged at USC...which would explain the website photo and fake profile) and the coach may have figured there was a donor involved and didn't question her bosses about it. "Do whatever, I just don't want to see her at my practices" she may have said. She already had her awesome recruiting classes and amazing returnees...I'm sure she wasn't forced to not offer a national team player to keep this girl from Woodside. But, if she or someone on her staff got money or other favors, then she will be out.
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    That may be an explanation that is given but I have a hard time believing that, as guardedly as D1 programs are with their PR and their rosters, they'd be OK with listing this person on the roster as a favor to the men's coach or as a mandate from the administrator. It may be the case and that may be their argument (the SoCal bulletin board has a lot of discussion on this and what arguments UCLA might offer). (is there any evidence that the USC administrator required coaches to act in a certain way (including "rostering" "players")?)
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    That may be an explanation that is given but I have a hard time believing that, as guardedly as D1 programs are with their PR and their rosters, they'd be OK with listing this person on the roster as a favor to the men's coach or as a mandate from the administrator. It may be the case and that may be their argument (the SoCal bulletin board has a lot of discussion on this and what arguments UCLA might offer). (is there any evidence that the USC administrator required coaches to act in a certain way (including "rostering" "players")?)
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    To me, that is the women's coaches defense. "they made me take this girl, so I put her picture on our roster like everyone else. I'm not hiding anything. i wish the fbi acted this decisively in the michigan state/nassar case"

    one other thing...on the website they put her greatest athletic achievement as riding a horse. Seems like somebody didn't care that everyone knew she wasn't recruited.
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    Father of the UCLA student in the same investment industry...his Principal Bio removed from their company webpage. He went to UCLA and two partners were UCLA & Stanford grads. Picture of his daughter gone viral on all websites now.
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    I just read about a Silicon Valley VC that paid Singer $630,000 to get his son into University of Texas. If it takes $630k to get your kid into UT, your kid is an idiot and nothing will help him.
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    The Times is investigating UCLA, and UCLA will be producing correspondence between the soccer coaches by June 30. Below is a report and the nugget I found interesting. If they already had safeguards in place from a 2014 incident, then either the safeguards sucked or there was a conspiracy to let that soccer player through.

    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-admissions-scandal-ucla-emails-20190418-story.html

    But a 2014 internal report, obtained by The Times, showed UCLA was aware of under-qualified athletes being admitted in exchange for donations.

    William Cormier, who headed UCLA’s compliance office at the time, said an investigation into a young woman who, despite subpar times, was admitted as a recruited runner once her parents pledged $100,000 to the athletic department “removes any reasonable doubt that the contribution from the parents was obtained quid pro quo for the daughter’s admission.”

    In a statement, the university said it quickly investigated the matter and, after deciding four coaches had violated school policy, adopted new safeguards to vet walk-ons and restricted donations from families of athletic prospects. It pointed out that, unlike Salcedo’s alleged criminal activity, the coaches found to have broken policy were not personally enriched by the donations.
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    Everyone has known for a long time that a special friend can get special treatment. The last two spots on a roster never have any chance to contribute actually on the field, and so it takes someone who wants to be there for reasons other than actually contributing. The difference in this case is the bribery.

    It wouldn't be that hard to fix this problem though--significant minimum playing time requirements. It would lower the overall level of play, but it would make many coaches far more cautious about the last two spots.

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