Extra Curricular Activities = Soccer ?

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  1. bendit

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    Need an opinion here. Here's some scenarios:

    Kid 1: Middle of the row player on an Elite team, good student but grueling ECNL schedule impacts grades = 3- 3.5 GPA and good but not stellar SAT

    Kid 2: Middle of the row player on Tier 2 team (one of the top players for that team - like a B team) good student and with lighter soccer schedule grades = 3.8-4.2 Stellar SAT and does additional extra-curricular as soccer doesn't dominate time.

    Obviously neither Kid 1 or 2 get soccer scholarships. Kid 1 might get some looks with proactive campaigning, but all in all may get lost in the soccer wind. In terms of college acceptance to a top school and perhaps even getting a chance to play in college, Kid 2 I would imagine has a better chance of acceptance.

    If I had kid 1, wouldn't I better suited to move her to kid 2's team as she is essentially getting the same soccer credit in terms of extra curricular but will have more time for studies ?

    If I am middle of the row, am I not wasting my time and money on the Elite team and not really attaining the incremental college value ?
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    loaded question.

    IMO the best money you can receive is academic money NOT athletic money. I'll assume she does not qualify for FAFSA:

    Kid 2 will likely play D2 or D3. IMO there aren't many good D2 schools outside of UCSD. D3 schools could give up to 25K in academics and if you are a stud academically she could get close to 100%. Kid 2 will play D3 if she desires and her parents will likely pay about 40K per year.

    Kid 1 as a middle of the row player may be able to play D1 but won't get much athletic money but could receive academic money from lower academic D1 schools as New Mexico, Nevada, UNLV or Wyoming as standards are lower. She likely will end up playing D2 at a Cal State with those grades. She could play D3 but will likely have to pay full price, 60K

    KID 1 should play on the second team IMO, raise her grades and guest play at the Disney Showcase or for any other team that does big tournaments. This will allow her to raise her grades and test scores for academic money at a D3...... AND allow her to been seen by lower D1 schools I mentioned who could offer money due to their lower standards.

    Look at The University of New Mexico Scholarships and you will see what I am talking about. Amigo scholarship and WUE scholarship. Nevada Reno is a good one, Boise State, Idaho, NM State, UNLV and a few others. good luck
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  3. bendit

    bendit New Member

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    thanks ECNL. Yes it is a super loaded question. There is a lot of EGO and emotion also tied in here that muddies the water. When it's all said and done what's most important is gaining acceptance to the school of choice, which is a higher end academic institute. I think that soccer can be an enabler, but can also be a deterrant especially at the ECNL level given the time and money commitment.
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    Heres the thing though, I don't actually think that spending time on soccer is what is bringing kid 1's grades down. Kids who participate in athletics actually have higher GPAs than those who don't. Even the kids I know who travel long distances for their teams tend to have good grades - they buckle down and make it work. I know a family with two kids at Ivy Leagues and the third on her way who played both soccer and another sport (that they eventually got recruited for), traveled for practices, did homework in the car and still were top students.
    The kid will think she has tons of time if she backs off the soccer schedule, but she likely won't spend that time studying.
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    Right, certainly the extra time required for the 1st team wouldn't have that significant of an effect on a kids grades.
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    bendit New Member

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    What about: 6 travel tournaments vs 2 on local team - 4 of which are out of state and involve missing school - 6 days missed in total. Incremental travel for practices and an incremental practice vs local club - amounts to another 7 hours per school week. As a parent, an incremental $4K per year in spend X 4 = $16K that can go towards college related activity.
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    Kids waste time. If given more time they waste it on Snapchat. Having a heavy load forces them to be more efficient. If kid 1 drops down to the 2nd she may get the same grades and sat scores.
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    change of topic but snapchat + instragram = the devil. I kid you not these apps cause a ton of drama on the teams. Kids (and adults sadly) love to show off - who made what ODP, who's hanging out with who - a major catalyst for team division. I literally see zero good in these apps !
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    LOL, exactly! I have had this conversation with my dd many times. She generally gets good grades with an occasional blip - she will say "Well so and so doesn't play sports, so she has SO much more time than I do to study!" My response is "really, you think you would spend those hours you would be at soccer studying? You'd be on Snapchat and watching dumb shows on Netflix."
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    We had an instagram issue when dd was in middle school - a girl invited only some of the team to a party and excluded others and posted pictures. It was part of the catalyst for my dd leaving that team, they were very cliquey and a lot of it played out on social media. The social aspect is very important to girls, and coaches have NO idea how to help with this.
    You are also right that parents contribute to this.
    I'm just glad that this stuff wasn't around when I was a teen, I think it would have done me in.
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    It would have done me in for sure :) I know many girls/boys who do better with a full schedule compared to lots of free time. They must stay structured and have good time management or else they fail. Not to mention I think parents feel better when their kid is doing many activities compared to lots of free time. Free time often means more chance to get in trouble. Social media for teens especially girls is so dangerous it's scary. I've seen my kids friends lose scholarships from colleges in various sports because of posting regards to a party with alcohol in the photos. What really makes me cringe is seeing adults post like their teens! No, we don't need to see posts daily from 45 year olds about your issues that should be private!
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    Lol. As soon as my dd committed up went the Snapchat post with college shirt and all. She showed me all the likes from all her soccer friends across CA. Seems to be some type of popularity contest.
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    Yikes! What age group is this?
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    u9.
    u8 only has 2 out-of-state travel tournaments with 4 days of kindergarten missed in total.
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    I hope you are kidding.

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