Best girls youth soccer coach in Nor cal

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  1. ECNL

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    Who's the best youth soccer coach in Nor cal?

    I can think of a handful that have good ones.

    Dayak - west coast
    Deza - De Anza
    Montoya - MVLA
    Roberstson - Davis
    Ireland - PSV
    Mohammed - Lamorinda

    Thoughts?
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    Juan Porras
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    Since Dayak was mentioned a couple of times on here, thought someone might get a laugh at this stupid complaint by some whinny DOC somewhere.

    Type of Incident:Ethics
    Match Number:0
    Date of Incident:2016-12-02
    Time of Incident:09:00:00
    Location of Incident:Granada High School
    Competition:2016_SOR_NPL_
    Home Team:David Mahabali and Troy Dayak
    Visiting Team:N/A
    Age Group and Gender:Unsure
    Team Affiliation of Individual Committing Incident:David Mahabali and Troy Dayak
    Incident Summary:Allegation that West Coast Soccer Club coaches emailed a high school team and advertised West Coast Soccer Club in that email.
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    "best youth soccer coach" - doesn't it depend on criteria?

    - placement to college programs?
    - State Cup champions or Top 8 finishes?
    - league champions at all flights?
    - low attrition rate/transfer rate after playing for this coach?
    - players invited to PDP/ODP/NTC (market training)/id2/YNT camp?
    - players that continue to play the game throughout their youth?
    - players that demonstrate good sportsmanship by (i) helping up opponents, (ii) telling an opponent, 'good play' or 'good goal' or 'good hustle'?
    - high "fun" factor?
    - demonstrate a "nice soccer" at all age groups and flights (so not just with top talent)?
    - etc.

    what criteria did you have in mind, @ECNL ?
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    "best youth soccer coach" - doesn't it depend on criteria?

    - placement to college programs?
    - State Cup champions or Top 8 finishes?
    - league champions at all flights?
    - low attrition rate/transfer rate after playing for this coach?
    - players invited to PDP/ODP/NTC (market training)/id2/YNT camp?
    - players that continue to play the game throughout their youth?
    - players that demonstrate good sportsmanship by (i) helping up opponents, (ii) telling an opponent, 'good play' or 'good goal' or 'good hustle'?
    - high "fun" factor?
    - demonstrate a "nice soccer" at all age groups and flights (so not just with top talent)?
    - etc.

    what criteria did you have in mind, @ECNL ?
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    I think it also depends on the club and area you're in. You may have a good coach in a decent club who only gets decent players and turns them into good. Another club may get very good players who they recruited and turn them into great. I kind of equate it to good college teams. Are all the top 25 teams coaches really that good? Probably not. They recruit well, the school is attractive, area, etc so they win tons of games and look good. Yes, good coaches can make a difference but still most of a players development comes from themselves IMO. How often are they playing outside of practice? Are they taking care of themselves off the field? Are they willing to do clinics along with their sessions? etc Those are the players with some natural ability who will really hit the top level. There are lots of good coaches in California. No doubt about that.

    Lastly, I will say much of the criteria above is based on getting talent. As the saying goes, "Can't make wine from water". Fun discussion with what criteria makes a quality youth soccer. 100 different opinions!
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    I believe the only valid way to judge a coach is to have a son/daughter on their team. Having coached, it is a very complex undertaking. I found some parents more demanding than the kid.
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    In my opinion, a good coach is a coach who gets his or her teams to "punch above their weight", regardless of the level the team starts at.

    If you have a team full of superstars, then punching above your weight means championships. If the talent cupboard is bare, then punching above your weight may mean just not getting clobbered every game.

    It's hard to evaluate that without seeing the team play through a season or two.
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    Good coach:

    1) puts kids in positions to be successful and hence builds self-confidence
    2) someone who never gives up on your kid
    3) able to get every one on the team feeling like they are contributing
    4) able to get kids to play beyond what was expected
    5) someone who can get team results (championships, wins, etc.)
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    I think Dayak gets his teams to play beyond what is expected. He doses not get the kind of talent De Anza gets and he still places lots of kids into college.

    Deza refines skills of really good players. I'm not convinced he can turn average kids into really good ones (someone please correct me if I am incorrect).......and give an example.
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    Sorry, sort of jumping in to respond, in lieu of @ECNL, without being invited…
    Pretty much agree with your criteria list. Given the choice, and speaking just for myself, I’d like to see the 7th and 8th items on your list (sportsmanship and fun) as highest evaluating priorities for a good coach. The 7th and 8th items of your list sort of goes towards a kid’s personal fulfillment, and the other items skill & club development. I really wish there was more emphasis by coaches everywhere on good sportsmanship, which can be in the form of treating not only the players with respect, but also referees. I have a much higher opinion of a coach who isn’t berating his players and referees during a game. The sportsmanship level of the next generations of youth soccer players will be reflected by the coaches’ examples set for today’s kids.

    When all is said and done around age 18, I hope mostly that all these soccer years experiencing the good and bad and highs and lows result in a young adult with admirable personal and work ethics. If the soccer glory and college scholarship stuff is eventually obtained, that’s all icing on the cake (and a lot of tuition money saved! But that’s another issue altogether…)
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    7/8 are important. When the game no longer is fun and more like a job kids quit. I think keeping it fun for everyone on a high level team is very difficult. Lots of egos (mostly parents) that make it not fun.
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    Mine was totally a stream of consciousness response. If I were ranking what I wrote, the order would be different. In the end, it is an unanswerable question because "best" is so varied when it comes to the specific player. I have 4 kids - the best for one is not close to the best for another. And basing it on some external criteria is somewhat impossible unless you happen to be privy to the entire universe of candidates. And none of us can be (obviously). I get exposed to some great coaches because my kids play at different levels (and different age groups) and what appear to be awful coaches. But "best"? Impossible.
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    I would like to know the highest profile coach for each region. Say your kid was in a coma until their senior year and woke up with super soccer skill. Who could open the most doors the quickest?

    Region 1 - No clue
    Region 2 - Deza/Montoya/Ireland?
    Region 3/4 - Doyle/Dayak?
    Region 5 - Ziemer
    Region 6 - Thompson/Blakeman/Neto?
    Region 7 - No clue
    Region 8 - No clue
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    provided that each coach had elite talent and attended all the big tournaments I would choose:

    Region 2 - Montoya......the other two guys aren't fun to play for.

    Region 3/4 - Dayak. Doyle just sits around and collects memberships fees. Dayak is West coast.......In a very short time his club has become Very strong in terms of winning and placing girls in college. Unfortunately he can't coach every team in his club!

    Region 6 - Utush or Thompson. No first hand experience w them. JUst basing this on success of their teams.
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    Totally agree with all of the above. Kind of like trying to rate "best rock and roll band of all time". Is totally subjective and impossible to definitively establish, but fun for conjecture. (The Beatles, right? No? Zeppelin? KC & The Sunshine Band?) Almost wanted to add one item to your list (and everybody would rank the items on the list a little differently depending on their various perspectives): "Ability of a coach to identify and press each individual player's motivation button to develop their maximum potential."
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    Say what you want about Deza, but how many national team players has he had in comparrison to the rest of Norcal? His 98-04 team has produced 9 national team player invites, far more than any club in during this time (or clubs combined). Remember, when he was with Griffons his 98 team was just developing and then they took off when they were poached to Force. All of his teams (except last year's 01 team) are nearly at the top of the chart and his 04 team has ONLY lost 2 games in 3 years; Quite impressive.

    It is true that his style isn't for everyone but the guy can coach AND he gets his players placed in college where they'll enjoy their experience....Not just make the team.

    Montoya got the unforutnate shaft when he was the U17 girls coach. But that being said, he's a damn good coach that plays a similar style to Deza but will go over the top more. He's a technical coach that loves possessing the ball but understands that sometimes you have to stretch the field.

    Dayak-can't personally say if he's good or not as I haven't seen or been to any of his training session. Just heard he's a great reccruiter and players are flocking to his club. This guy has a sporting business that he runs through his club. You have to buy uniforms from him...not any place else. Smart dude!

    David Robinson-probably one of the most undrrated coaches mentioned in this thread. He's been with PDP for a long time and his club is ONLY getting stronger and stronger each year. Players seem to like him and a lot of his kids are getting great looks in colleges. He is a very techncial teacher but loves playing the long ball.

    Justin Selander-Another guy that's a PDP product but does a great job is Justin. I've seen his training sessions at PDP and he does a great job of motivating, teaching, and connecting with the girls. A few weeks ago we had the opportunity to see him doing a 1v1 training session with an up and coming player and the things he was teaching were technical, yet 1v1 tactical.

    I know a lot of people on here do not like Mohammed from Lamo but this guy can flat out coach. His teams are always some of the most technical teams around and they play great with limited talent. He is loud and boisterous and his personality isn't for the faint of heart but if I were to pick one of the non-ECNL clubs in the Bay, no question it would be Lamorinda.

    Juan Porras-This guy has been in the Shadow of Deza and Luciano Fusco for years now. He has since left Force for greener pastures but this guy can flat out coach. He is a very demanding, technical instructor that get the best out of his players. For years, he was the right hand man of Deza and now is a DoC at a local club. Happy to see him out on his own but only time will tell if he can turn his new club around.
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    I'll help you out here. The best rock and roll band of all time is Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship. Somehow, they managed to be one hit wonders multiple times in different decades with completely different styles. What other band could go from 1967's psychedelic "White Rabbit" to the screaming lyrical nonsense of 1979's heavy metal anthem "Jane"? And then to top it off in the 80's with "We Built this City"...doing it all "hair band" style? The lyrics "Marconi plays the Mamba, listening to the radio" haunts my dreams. They got rich off of that shit, always perfectly timing the tastes in the market. If the 90s assholes followed their lead, we wouldn't have had all of that angry grunge crap that killed rock and roll on top 40 stations...and I wouldn't have to hear the shit they play now that sounds like a video game.

    I think a better question is "who is the best yacht rocker?" Everyone is probably like, dude, that's too easy. Its Christopher Cross. Nobody can beat "Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see. Believe me." But where do you go beyond that with him? "Ride Like the Wind" then its the depressing "Aurthur's Theme"...Blah. Kenny Loggins worked some serious easy listening magic. Definitely one of the contenders. But my pick is Michael McDonald. He defined smooth, easy listening from his early days with Steely Dan, to the Doobie Brothers, and finally his incredible solo career. His influence even crossed musical genres. Where would G-Funk be with out Warren G's Regulate and the smooth "I keep Forgetten" sample? Would we even know who Snoop Dogg was without the G-Funk Era? And without Snoop Dogg, would weed even be legal now? It just blows your mind when you think about it. So yeah, I'd say Michael McDonald.[/QUOTE]
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    Deza is a good coach but he is a recipient of great talent. He's good at what he does and has the infrastructure to back him up. However Give Dayak the same resources And one could argue he could do just as well if not better. Look what Dayak has done in a short period of time with less talent.
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    I don't know if I'd go as far to say he has great talent more than his system and way he teaches the game is second to none. Dayak formed WC about 7 years ago when he split with Livermore and started his own thing. Deza has only been with Force for 3-4 years. Deza is mostly known for his 98 team but not everyone knows that his younger teams are pretty amazing.

    I agree that with Force, Deza has the structure and possibly the resources advantage. But thing that is evident is that he shines in his development of players and coaches. I remember first meeting him at the NTC when they first started them here in Norcal. His training sessions were amazing and he would get the attention of the players immediately.

    Again, I have never seen a Dayak training session but I have seen his teams play. They're physical, well coached but not a lack of talent. I guess it really depends on a) style you're looking for, b) what kind of techncical and tactical program you're looking for your kid, c) where you live in proximity to these clubs. Some people drive from Fresno and Santa Rosa because of what Deza can offer kids...development...proof is in pudding.

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