Bay Area ECNL programs overview

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  1. SouthBay

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    Don't worry, Deza's working on it - he's got Dennis Rodman on speed dial, lol.
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    Business meeting next week in North Korea I hear :) She may not know what to do in Deza style compared to that Blues team anyways!
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    Haha. If she's anything like her dad she will run into Deza's best player, take the ball and then out run the entire team!
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    I have watched that team - and that player - a lot. It is true that they do not build up their attack from the back but they are gifted passers in tight quarters around the goal and will give up a shot for a better shot (kinda like the Warriors). And they finish unlike any group of players I have seen. She's an exceptionally talented player in my view, as are several of their attacking mids and forwards.
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    Exactly. No pressure, just two old boys talking futbol.
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    Is this the SoCal Blues 02G team? -- from last year's ECNL Playoffs.

    Geez, and I thought West Coast teams play some ugly soccer. Yes, several of these Blues players are quite athletic, but do they really need to slide tackle and/or foul so much? I gotta think that they were coached and trained to do that (being overly aggressive) because stuff like that just doesn't happen naturally in such a widespread and frequent way within a single team.

    If this is the SoCal Blues 02G team, and they're the U14 and U15 ECNL national champions, then I would hope that this doesn't turn out to be the best that GDA would produce even though this same team and coach will be shifting over to GDA.

    I would take Deza's 98G team over this team without hesitation in a matchup.
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    Well in a well reffed game where cards will be given for cheating then I would take deza's team any day. However we all know the Refs allow that physical above the waist crap. I have watched Deza's teams for years. They way to beat them is to go after them hard and make them feel you on every play (ala Detroit Pistons basketball team). grabbing, kicking in the shin, pushing in the back , etc. the more athletic the team and the better their soccer skill the more success they will have.
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    This is great - of course a great possession team will beat the mighty Blues! Except they don't. The 01 Force team lost 0-8 in Nov and the 02 Mustang team lost 0-8 in April. This really is like comparing the Warriors to other eras and ignoring what the Dubs are doing to their competition. It does not diminish the 98 Force team or Deza to say that was the 02 Blues team is doing is different - historically different. You may - and I may - prefer a different style and that certainly can be debated and discussed but based on results, the 02 Blues, presently, have no peers. The 98 Force team may have been the best but the distance between it and the others was not as significant (I am basing it on what people have recounted here about Force winning competitive games, not first hand observations).

    Again, nothing is diminished. In fact, I'd gladly accept the Force run and if anyone says that the Blues are better, I'd say, "ok. Our run is still awesome"
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    I think it is hard to compare the teams because the style of play is so much different. The Force 98 team was a team that I compare their style to playing chess. Their goal was to possess the ball so well until they got the right opportunity to attack. It was really clinical how they would break a defense down and find a 2 v 1 situation that would lead to a goal scoring opportunity. If they didn't have the advantage they would back the ball out and recycle the play. If a team would just pack it in they could lose the game by a smaller margin.

    The Blues top team play a different style. The have the ability to beat you while possessing but are not as concerned with possession. The girls that they have recruited for their teams are both technical, top level athletes and they are ferocious. They will pass around you, beat you with speed and crush the other team if they have the opportunity. When you possess all three of the characteristics I think on the girls side they can demoralize a team more so than the force team style, which can result in the blow-outs.

    I think its great that there are many different styles that are implimented by coaches which results in compelling games for the most part. Like dk_b said its like comparing the jordan Bulls vs. Current Warriors. This is a Barbershop debate.
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    This 02 Blues team is no Curry/Durant's Warriors or Jordan's Bulls. They more like Bad Boys Pistons with a bit of Twin Towers Rockets.
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    The 02s are not winning because they beat the crap out of teams. They are winning because they are tenacious, fast, deft around the goal and finish like no one. They don't build out of the back and their D is rarely threatened. They don't win because the refs don't call fouls - that cheapens their success and gives the losing squads an easy out when, really, they are simply better than everyone.

    My purpose in offering the analogy is not to call the Blues the Warriors in terms of their style of play but to show how much further ahead the Blues teams are (and don't let the failure to get out of group play fool you about the 01s - the entire season with only one tie and they remain the best of that age group). And how folks who are fans of another team (the 98 Force team - or the Bulls or Pistons from the past) are convinced in that team's superiority. Can't compare the two, really, and saying how dominant the Blues are in no way diminishes the successes of the 98 Force team. No one needs to take it personally.
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    I'm not a fan of the "emergence" of such a dominant girls youth soccer team as the 02 Blues because if all it takes to become (repeat) national champions is to recruit a bunch of stud athletes who play aggressively to outrun and outgun all other teams, then it shows how sorry the state of girls youth soccer is in the U.S. It turns soccer from a beautiful game that's a pleasure to watch into something more like rugby that's just mildly interesting -- for me, at least.
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    The ECNL U15 championship game video just got posted: -- in less than 15 minutes, more than a dozen fouls against 02 Blues team and a near injury for the Solar Chelsea GK. I had no desire to watch the rest of the game.
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    I have watched the Blues 02 team in a number of games the last few years - at Surf, at Blues Cup, in ECNL games. I don't see a lot of build up from the back but I have watched really deft ball movement in the attacking half. I have seen dummy plays to pass up a good shot so a teammate could take a better shot. I have seen 3 attackers inside the 6, behind the D, leaving the keeper w/no chance. I have seen their relentless pursuit when they lose the ball and their incredible pace that is hard for pretty much anyone to keep up with. The Surf team seems to play the Blues relatively close - familiarity helps and Surf's ball control helps slow things down but, in the end, Blues' margin of victory is the only thing in doubt.

    Are the Blues what's "wrong" with youth soccer and with the National team? I don't think so. They use an effective style for their players. If the style is no longer effective, adjust. Until then...
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    I've got no problem w the Blues. Other teams need to adapt.
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    I agree, forget all the talk of multiple sports and length of season as the leading causes of increased ACL injuries, the slide tackling at this age Blues team is out of control.
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    Slide tackling is a dangerous tactic that is effective in slowing faster and more skilled players down. I would instruct my players to slide tackle that girl every chance they had, then perhaps she made think twice about doing it to someone else.
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    Blues has some serious athletes on that team
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    Davis has some work to do going only 1 win, 1 tie and 4 losses against San Juan.
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    it's early.

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