Anyone watching the U17 Women's World Cup? What did you think of Cameroon?

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    I've been watching some of the FIFA U17 Women's World Cup games and I was struck by how biased the refereeing seemed to be against Cameroon in the US v Cameroon game. It seemed very lopsided to me, almost as if the referee was mad at the Cameroon team or had some sort of grudge. Cameroon was definitely physical, but 2 red cards seemed extreme. The PK awarded the US was questionable as well since the foul happened outside the box. I thought maybe it was just me, but in looking at the highlight video on YouTube, the majority of the comments were remarking on how biased this ref seemed. Curious as to whether anyone else saw that game?

    I think things evened out when Cameroon played Germany today. In that game I felt like the Center Ref let too many hacks by the Cameroon team go. And the "injuries" that piled up towards the end of the game--the Cameroon players were dropping like flies only to pop up and run around after wasting precious minutes.

    The result is that Group C (US, Germany, NK, and Cameroon) all have 1 win and 1 loss. Makes for an exciting few games next week.
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    I thought the ref in the US-Cameroon game was bad, not biased. I do think it was a good call on the red car on the GK but a bad call to award a PK (well outside the box). I did not see the 2d red card. I did not think that the ref was the difference - the US was ahead when the PK was called and from the offense I saw from CMR, I don't think they were coming back. Of course, one never knows.
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    Yes, red card from goal keeper was legit for sure.

    It's so interesting watching this tournament. Germany came out so strong against NK, then looked awful when they played Cameroon. NK looked awful against Germany but almost flawless against US. Can't wait to see who advances, it could be anyone at this point. Personally I think the US will come out strong against Germany. US seems to be more technical and skilled, just out of sync right now.
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    Well...clean sheet last two games. Big commitment for a poor showing; either poor ID’g or training or both...back to the drawing board and big kicks low soccer IQ not working. Can’t manufacture goals when speed is shut down and def zero shape rythym overall -
    damn HS Soccer
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    Maybe US Soccer widening their net versus narrowing in on DA players might be a good first step. Also, let the girls play high school, guest play, PDP...you know...VARIETY! You can still have your DA academies, but loosen up the reigns a bit. Also, let's have tournaments where all flavors of club soccer can compete. ECNL, DA, NPL, etc. That way scouts can go to one place and see players from all walks of life.
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    Of the U17 WNT girls that stepped on the field today, 6 were from ECNL clubs, 7 from DA clubs (4 of those 7 from dual membership clubs) and 1 from Hawaii’s HYSL. I think you may be perpetuating an uniformed narrative.
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    Hotchpotch of girls with poor training and inexperienced World Cup coaching staff. I’ve heard some of their sessions/trainings
    in Florida SMH. What World Cup experience does this staff have?
    The pay you play pyramid; only imagine avg parents salary $$.
    BIG COMMITMENT for this and bounced from brackets 3 goals for 7 against
    Stop playing DeVry College teams leading up to the WC
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    Maybe a failed college coach( USF) shouldn't be running a the u17 national team. Not all on one person of course but we must do better. I'm sure he's solid but we need more than solid in our national teams.

    And what experience? Oh, the i coached with Ellis part so it's all good.
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    I know of two players now--youngers--who were newly invited to National Camps and were told first hand that US Soccer was going to be largely scouting from DA clubs. This issue came up in a conversation about high school soccer and the players were told something along the lines of "well, you can play high school soccer but if you do say goodbye to your national team dreams. The clubs that US Soccer will be looking at for talent will be DA clubs." (I'm paraphrasing). I have heard similar rumblings from others as well. The vast majority of the U17 players that aren't DA were on the roster before DA. I haven't taken the time to go back and see if new players being added to youth teams are all (or close to all) from DA clubs. That would be an interesting audit to do. Regardless I think no one can dispute that US Soccer doesn't cast near wide enough of a net when it comes to recruiting talent, especially on the girls' side.

    As for my comment about DA loosening the reigns, there is no dispute that their policy and direction is a very single-minded and narrow focus that discourages anything outside of what they consider "high quality" soccer. I still don't get that mentality at all. As many have pointed out, some of the very best players on WNT played high school, many multi-sport. It didn't seem to hurt their ability or talent, quite the opposite.
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    That's why I think it's important to allow players more flexibility in where and what they play. One coach, no matter how amazing, is still going to be one coach with one approach. Every player is different and learns in a different way. That is why, in my opinion anyway, it's important to allow players to pursue other avenues for improving on their sport. That can be high school, it can be another sport, guest playing..who knows. Track can help soccer speed immensely. Basketball can improve soccer IQ because the player has to constantly get open or find the open player on the basketball court. High School soccer can help because it's a different environment and it's FUN. ODP, PDP, and guest playing force the player to play with girls outside of their club team, so they learn how to adapt quickly. All of these different combinations can help to make a far better soccer player than one team, one coach, and one method of training. It's also less mentally fatiguing when you are allowed some variety.
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    I think the root causes are not da vs. ecnl. The main issue in my opinion is us soccer scouting and inexperianced scouts that only look at
    Atheletism and overlook the importance of the technical and soccer IQ . Sometimes I think the us soccer scouts are looking to recruit for a football team rather than soccer
    If these scouts were recruiting in Europe we would have never had players like messi or alike.
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    I also heard the directive form above was to start pushing the recruiting pipeline through the DA programs as a way to try to guide the better players to DA,
    hence to US Soccer, in an attempt to get all on same page as a master plan. If true, going to cut off a lot of potential gems (and is another stupid US Soccer move).
    Also heard the top brass was discussing the idea of maybe going back to the split year age groupings! I guess they realized they made another dumb move there too.
    I talked to my son's DOC last week and he said it was talked about at the last regional meeting if you can believe that!
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    Seriously?? After screwing up so many teams by going age pure, now they are talking about going back to split year? It's like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. Bottom line: kids will want to play a sport if it's fun, easy to participate in, and if they have mentors/heros who inspire and who they can relate to. By making the sport more exclusive versus inclusive, and by narrowing the pipeline to a trickle, soccer will be even less mainstream. Teams will continue to lose at the International level and people will lose interest. Wish we could have some of the 99'ers at the top versus who we have now. Seems like $$$, ego, and power is the driving force of those running US Soccer.
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    People at the top w no soccer knowledge making soccer decisions - def narrowing the pipelines w egos and making it harder for girls to play the game they love
    Arm length transactions on staff hires
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    I know that this is not the response you are looking for but as someone who has a heart condition that can result in sudden cardiac death (this same condition got Hank Gathers), I embrace monitoring such as this. Of the features mentioned is "Relay live HR info direct to your smart phone or analyse your HR trace post session. Compatible with magnetic & BLE 'arm-based' monitors." With heightened attention to cardiac conditions - more AEDs positioned around fields (everyone reading this should take note every time you arrive at your kids' games - where is the AED?) and more and more funded sports doing in-activity cardiac monitoring, we will see fewer sudden deaths from young athletes (which, esp in American football, we tend to explain as being overworked by clueless coaches instead of due to a latent heart condition that could have been detected by simple monitoring - something that is more frequently the reason than the asshole coach).

    (I have a portable AED in my car that people faster than I am can get to if someone goes down. If your kid is playing against my kid, I got your back - or your heart - covered!)
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    Agree 110% on that note; unfortunately National Camps theory is a certain position should run XXX amount of miles during a scrimmage/game, if not acheieved they will run after the session to make it up. This causes a “Run to Run” w/out a purpose and potential selfish play to achieve this milestone - many ACl injuries in camps lately
    All in All u20’s and U17’s bounced from brackets - Run to Run is the fix
    Also if you’re my teammate and you are running just to run without playing the right place I deathly do not want you to have my back
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    Not sure I follow your last sentence - you are statistically more likely to have a heart attack than any kid on the pitch and my point is that I (or someone who can get to my car and back to you faster than I can) can shock you back to life (what they call a "save"). Or how your comment is responsive to mine but OK. And I agree that running for running sake is meaningless and that the rate of significant injuries in the U17 pool far outpaces what it should. A tool like that is fine for data gathering for the purpose that can be physiologically helpful (heart rate, etc.) but whether someone runs 8 km or 15 km in the course of a training is somewhat meaningless (unless it is used to avoid OVERuse).
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    Agree this tool is used in all sports to gather info; my point is their use for it is to monitor miles ran in a scrimmage/session; if not achieved you will run after to make up the diff....in all sports you could run like a chicken heads cut of but could you run/play smarter. What if you ran 50% less but had 2 goals/3 assists/ability to run down a forward w better angles do you run 50% more after...the use for data is perfecto but their theory will only promote/ID more quarter horses and less players w the brain.
    I would prefer to play and have a mates back who plays/creates a controlled environment where injuries % go down & we all are in rythym as a team -

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