2018 DA Playoffs

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  1. soccercritique

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    You do know that most of the time when college players miss games, they usually take the entire year (semester) off school, right? Mallory Pugh is a great example of this...except after playing for the USWNT she decided to turn pro. Good for her! I'll put it to you this way so maybe you can understand what I'm saying.
    Baseball=162 games a year
    Barry bonds plays in the first 20 games, then finishes the season playing in the last 30 games of the year. Should he be eligible for MVP?
    at the time, he was the best player in baseball, but if you're missing that many games, how is it possible for you to make an impact on YOUR team AND in your league. Same thing can be said in this discussion.

    I agree that it should be acknowledged as the best. 100% Aside from Jones and Katihata, I would hardly say the recipients were "the best" that should have been acknowledged. I'm saying they're good, but others should have been in line before them. Stats on offense is smoke and mirrors. I can score 30 goals in a season. but if 26 of them are against teams we smoke 8-0, 13-1 and in big games against stronger competition I can't even hold the ball, then there's a problem. I shouldn't even deserve to be in the conversation. Cause that shows that my stats are inflated. And trust me. All of the stats from the Quakes team (offensively) are inflated. There's players with tons of goals, but didn't show NOTHING in San Diego last week; oh, except getting pushed off the ball, losing possession, and making bad passes...lol.

    The players mentioned and who were honored are not ALL hard to compete against. Just a homer trying to justify why instead of being objective and telling it like it is.
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    Aren’t you the one who said players playing 50% or less shouldn’t receive the awards?

    Mallory Pugh never played college ball.

    You’ve lost me. And here you go, ripping on teenage girls. WTF is wrong with you, dude? You are an adult, right?
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    EQ is a great club full of great players at ALL levels. I absolutely DO NOT think that there is money going under the table. That's not what I was insinuating...from talking to many people, knowing how Deza mind works, and seeing what happened this past season, it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to see whats going on here. As for any team, coaches have their favorites for whatever reason. work hard, personalities mesh, family friend, etc. again, knowing what I know, it's hard for me to swallow (I don't have a horse in this race) when I see kids who are good players, getting recognized over players that are much better than them. I mentioned two players left off the list.

    It's hard for a parent that has never played the game, or who's only experience has been through their kids to really understand the whole big picture. again, I think this organization is great (all teams) but it is too bad when you see politics, and worse when you can't see it.
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    So now working hard is politics. Ok, I’m out. You’ll argue whatever.
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    "Mallory Pugh never played college ball" that's my point. In WC years, most college players DON'T play college or miss games because it's a full year of dedication to the USWNT.

    I never mentioned anyone by name and where am I ripping into players? I'm telling the truth. Just like Monday's game, BOTH teams played horrible and not up to normal standards. Is that me being critical or ripping on players?
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    I don’t have kids in the DA but if your kid played less than 70% of the games how in the hell can you be MVP. I smell politics.

    The MVP is not always the best player. Example, LeBron James.
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    Pagador didn’t even play defense for Placer. She played attacking mid but because she is a defender on the YNT she was awarded that.
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    No dummy...working hard is what coaches...you know what? If you can't really be objective in having this conversation, then its obvious what kind of soccer parent you are-my snowflake is beyond reproach. Again, I don't have a horse in this race. I was just making an observation and you had to go there with the conversation. Enjoy your daughters all conference! She earned every bit of it. ;)
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    Look, my point is just that so many of these girls could have received an award and been “deserving” no matter what your dad opinion of what must be a former Deza player is. That you are arrogant enough to think that you are objective and know the best players over others says it all. And yes, saying certain players are undeserving is ripping on teens. And everyone knows who you are talking about if they look at a roster. You start saying the YNT players don’t deserve because they don’t play enough, then rip on the other kids saysing they aren’t as good as other players. I don’t know what your beef is, but stay off a board discussing teen girl soccer.
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    Who cares who gets the best 11 awards. Every sport every country someone gets an award that has a connection or shouldn't have got something. Deal with it and move on.
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    It's an opinion. I said that the NT players were great! just because a lack of participation in the GDA games should have limited them or opened it up for other players, not necessarily EQ players. As for the others that made it, yes, I do believe that one or maybe two could have been replaced by others, given their entire body of work. I never mentioned names, other than 4 players and didn't say anything bad about the 4 mentioned. You're reading into my posts way too much... All of the players on EQ that made the final team are good players. GOOD PLAYERS. My opinion was based on facts...EQ playing against good teams vs. playing against bad ones. Proof is in the pudding.

    the only reason I mentioned stats, and ability because you said that it should be considered when making awards. Don't get mad when you bring up stuff and don't like the answer in rebuttal. Normally I have sided with you on many occasions, just not this. lets just agree to disagree and chill out!
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    Wow, name calling, hate much?

    You are incorrect. You asked to be objective. Let's be objective, shall we?

    (* First note as with any top XI, this is a positional award, it is the not the top XI players regardless of position)

    This is awarded per conference so the teams in question play each other through out the year. In fact Quakes play SoCal teams where Crossfire, Reign, La Roca (for example) do not which make Quakes job of scoring a lot of goals harder as on average they play harder competition than some other conference teams.

    Looking at other top national teams in the West and games won by 5 or more (padding the forwards goals totals in you hypothesis above).
    #1 Slammers- 11 "blowouts"
    #2 Crossfire- 4
    #5 Earthquakes- 6
    #9 Legends- 4

    and this is playing against similar opponents so there is not an excess of "blowouts" for the Quakes and even if there were, the other top teams in the West enjoy similar match ups.

    Quakes against SoCal teams (tough opponents)...
    6-1-2 (basically 1/3 of Quakes games)
    It is a good record, not just blow outs against poor teams. The two forwards scored 10 goals in these 9 games including a bunch of game winners.

    In the playoffs the Quakes scored 13 goals in the first 4 games (against national top 32 opponents). They lost 1-0 in the semis and then beat Slammers (#1 ranked team regular season team) 3-0. So they scored 16 goals in 6 games including quarter, semi and the 3rd place game. The 2 players you say are padding their stats scored 6 of those goals in 6 games, one scored 2 today versus the Slammers (making her only player to score two goals in one game against the Slammers all year).

    They were the top 2 scorers in the West during regular season against the same competition that the other Western conference players are judged against.

    Seems all of this points to forwards who do what they are supposed to do, score goals.

    I find it truly funny that you are arguing that goals scored by a forward within a conference where the teams are playing each other is "smoke and mirrors"... makes absolutely no sense, especially when backed by the team being strongly competitive against top national competition and continuing to score goals in tough games.

    I think the other players mentioned are also very good and deserving but I do not know the players they were up against at their positions, which is a huge factor.

    If you look at these conference awards very simply... the two national team players got accolades, the two top scorers (both forwards) in the western conference got accolades. Seems reasonable and without real evidence (not made up... "must be political") it is pretty straightforward and makes sense.

    Also for the national team discussion... I suspect MLS or NWSL players that might miss MLS duty for National Team duty are not removed from contention for MLS or NWSL best XI awards... but we will not really know for the MLS this year will we, as they have not missed much. =)

    For example...
    2015 NWSL Best XI who missed time with Womens World Cup or National Team Duty
    1st team- Julie Johnston, Becky Sauerbrunn (basically missed 1/2 a season and was named NWSL defender of the year), Kim Little, Jess Fishlock, Allie Long, Crystal Dunn, Christen Press (7 of 11)

    Full disclosure- My daughter does not play forward, does not score lots goals, is not a favorite player of any coach (she started less than most others on her team this past season). She plays against vey tough competition and does well. She is awesome, works her butt off and loves playing. I hope someone sees these attributes without goals scored stats but I am not worried if they don't, I believe she will be successful in soccer in any case. =)

    Also, I do not personally know either of the two forwards, have just seen them play in the playoffs and can look up some stats to form a reasonable and logical argument that says, without politics, one can see why they could/should/do deserve the honor.
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  15. MrSmith

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    Disagree.... 2015 (World Cup year) NWSL defender of the year missed 1/2 the games due to national team duty. Seems in US Soccer at the highest levels it happens.
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    damn, that's dome deep analysis. well done! to your point about missing playing time, yes players miss a game, or two for WWC or NT duty, but in the access of 50-70% of the season? Great players, but just think that if it's a GDA award, there should be some limit to how many games are played. That's like saying you can play 8 out of 36 games and still be considered. Maybe it's just me...but I've never seen something like that. second, What do you consider a blowout? 4-0? 6-1? 13-1. This EQ team has a lot of firepower and can get goals in a hurry. Those the made the team weren't the only goal scorers. What hurt them this week was (and also all the teams that went) weather and coach (for personal reasons...I get it). had one of the two factors not been involved, they could have played in the finals.
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    Definitely not a great semi-final game for either team. A bit funny that an intended cross is the winning and only goal. The quakes moved the ball much better in the quarters and they looked uncomfortable all game in the semi-finals. 0-1 was likely an appropriate score given the run of play.

    Agree with others that playing very hot humid conditions when there is a choice should not be the desired scenario. Having games with multiple cooling breaks seems should be, how should I say it, a non-goal. This is US Soccer so nothing quite makes sense... okay nothing ever makes any sense.

    * I just pick 5 goal deference to a “blow out” kind of random but seemed reasonable.
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    Since your on stats
    1 of those 2 scored five of those six goals in playoffs / championship you are talking about. You could dissect the league game sheets/stats and see who scored most goals vs above .500 or below .500 teams.
    Regarding best XI - should an employee get this award if they came to work 30% of the time? How about if they worked in marketing and received the Award in the Sales Department?
    Yes everyone can’t get this XI award but you are taking it away from another positional player when they give it to a National Player who never played that position in league or National Player(s) who played 15%-30% of league games - obvious it’s showcasing their own
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    First you were being objective, then it was an opinion. Yes, we have agreed quite a bit which is why it surprises me you are so intent that you must have the best “opinion” about who deserves an award and who you say doesn’t. Any one of these players could have received it and deserved it based on the play this year. Factor in assists, steals, turn overs (or lack of), creative play, stats, whatever your “opinion” deems important and the Quakes girls overall performed at a high level. I think if you are missing games to play with your NT and are still the best the award is yours. I guess I see the point of some who disagree on that, but these are kids not employees, missing a game (and often feeling bad about it) because they have a chance to play for a NT. You really want to punish them for that?

    In the end it doesn’t matter. They all have great college futures ahead of them and none of those coaches give a crap about stuff like this. You really want to have a futile debate, let’s talk about Topdrawer rankings.
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    Oh also GDA top scorer does not consider number i
    Almost as meaningful as US Soccer sub rules. (and you have to pay for both).
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