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Discussion in '2003' started by Must65, Sep 6, 2016.

  1. kickingandscreaming

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    Yes. I'm definitely noticing more injuries. Within my daughter's practice group there has been a broken wrist, broken hand and broken arm all within the last 2 months along with several other nagging injuries that have affected performance.
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    I coach in this age group and yes, I do notice a lot of injuries. One of the things I'm most disappointed about is having to play 40 minute halves. These girls are 13, it's just too much in my opinion. A lot of the girls are still deciding if soccer is going to be their sport so they play other sports still too.

    We hear a lot about over use injuries and the whole system is based on playing as many games per year as possible. In order to stay relevant you essentially have to play ~8 tournaments (a few better be 3-day super elite), fall and spring league, and State Cup. Wow. Since they're not going to change the gotsoccer point system, keeping the matches on the shorter side, like say 35 minutes, would go along way--especially when it's +100 degrees.
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    Not to mention subbing rules for ECNL, NPL, and soon academy at 13 years olds which makes it difficult to get any decent playing time if you're not in the top 13 of the team. I know that's different then injury topic but another bad move which is difficult for many 13 years olds to handle.

    On the injury front, it happens younger and younger each year sadly. I agree with eco, it's mainly overuse injuries that cause this. Do we tell our kids you can't play as much sorry while all their friends do? Then you have coaches saying you have to play all the time, etc. It's a tough balance and challenging. You hope the kids have coaches who really care for them and take care of the players but we know in this competitive youth soccer environment many parents put so much pressure on their kids/coaches it affects their judgement in taking care of the players well being.
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    One popular theory - not sure the extent to which this has been studied (if at all) - on the increased # of ACL tears is overuse, not unlike youth baseball pitchers. One difference is that with the UCL, the overuse puts incredible strain on the elbow and, boom. With knees, it has to do with the muscles that help support the ligaments getting fatigued through overuse and that makes the ACL vulnerable. Add in the increased use of turf (which tires legs more rapidly than grass) and it is an imperfect storm. At least that's this layman's understanding of the theory.

    I do wish there was a way to change invitational tournaments. Playing 4 games in 2 days (or, like Surf, 6 games in 3 days) puts so much stress on the athletes. I have ciriticzed Surf Cup for having such short halves in prelims and quarters but I am now a belief that they are necessary, even if they contribute to odd results now and again (though Surf's reasons, I believe, are more financially-based than safety-based). Yet there is no way to structure an event with a "champion" with 2 games in 2 days. We need more days but with more days comes more disruption with school, etc. OK, I give up.
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    After one month only a couple changes. Lets see how it all ends.

    ECNL standings
    1. DeAnza
    2. Mustang
    3. MVLA
    4. San Juan
    5. Pleasanton
    6. Santa Rosa

    NPL East 1
    1. Placer
    2. Ajax
    3. Alliance
    4. Davis

    NPL West 1
    1. MVLA
    2. DeAnza
    3. PSV
    4. Marin
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    Hi everyone,
    Tryouts are here again, any news on moves, teams/clubs drawing more girls or less girls? Some gossip I hear is that Davis and San Juan ECNL program may be pulling lots of girls in from the other Sacramento area clubs. Placer has the DA now in the area with a solid core to build around for DA competition, who is interested in that? How will these programs weaken the other teams in the area?
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    Davis should attract some talent due to the ECNL program. Not sure how many girls will decide to try out at Placer as their starting 11/12 are tough to break into
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    I heard the rage 03 had a large showing at tryouts.
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    So I am hearing from at leasst 2 GDA teams (Placer/Washington) that their DOC's are telling them they CAN play other sports and HS Soccer. Is there any merit to this or are they being fed some Kool Aid ?
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    I heard similar from Placer but don't know the context or how that's realistic. Is it a ploy to keep kids from trying out at San Juan? Not sure but seems odd. Would be very interested to hear from placer people if this was really said to them
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    Quite a dangerous ploy. What happens in Winter and they are told they can't play ? I suppose worst case they lose a year of that other sport and rethink for the next year.
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    Here's what they call "Benefits" of the D/A. What do they consider "outside activity?" In this context, it suggests soccer... not necessarily another sport. Even then... written permission is all you need.

    No Outside Activity/Competitions

    To maintain a focus on club training environments, Academy players and teams do not play in any outside competitions without written permission from the U.S. Soccer Development Academy staff. This includes any other leagues, tournaments, State Cup competitions, ODP or All-Star events. Development Academy players for all teams must choose to participate in the Academy full-time and forgo playing for their high school teams.

    Full-time Academy players can only participate on their designated Academy team, with only two exceptions: U.S. Soccer Training Centers and Youth National Team duty.

    The Development Academy upholds this rule because we believe elite players require world class environments. The Development Academy's 10-month Program allows for a greater opportunity to institute style of play and implement a system according to U.S. Soccer's Development Philosophy. It also gives teams increased opportunities for younger kids in their club to "play up" against older players in both training and matches, thereby accelerating their development.
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    You are giving the impression that "written permission" from the US GDA is plausible and likely. I would imagine that there is a significant number of kids that want to play HS Soccer and perhaps other sports - so the request level would be quite high. The impression I am getting is that there is a written set of rules but they have left some flexibility and loophole like clauses to allow retain these elite players.
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    I'm not giving any impressions... it's what they have written. And all of us have had the "impression" you can't swim the day before a game, ever have a sleep over or play in that beer league basketball on Friday nights. In reality, I see nothing that says my kid can't play volleyball if she wants to.
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    Wouldn't another sport be "outside competition" as well? From the boys DA players I know, none are allowed to play any HS sports.
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    For the girls, the rumor is teams will get a certain amount of waivers to play HS. If so, how does that club coach decide if nearly all want to play HS? Could be an ugly situation
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    You could infer that, but I think you could also read it in the context of (strictly) soccer because that is how it's laid out. The entire paragraph refers to soccer and suggests nothing about other sports. In fact, it goes so far as to say the reason/justification for this rule is to ensure a "world class environment" of play. Well, that's not an issue if my kid wants to play in a cornhole league, is it? Because the two are mutually exclusive.
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    Interesting. Will they sign waivers for the kids 14-23 that they don't care as much whether they play HS (no big loss)? Or will they sign waivers for the kids who want to play HS who are starting 11? Or will they sign waivers only for the top 1-2?
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    Placer parents and kids were told the club would not have a strict ban on girls playing high school and academy, but they would be allowed to play both on a case by case basis if they can handle both commitments. I don't see that as plausible. Sure some may be able to handle it physically and some toward the bottom of the roster the club may be more generous.

    The interesting thing to me is the primary placer GDA coach is a local high school coach with many academy players also on his high school team. Another local high coach with several girls on the academy teams is also a placer boys academy coach and girls academy assistant.

    It will be interesting to me when academy girls start showing up to one high school practice per week and getting significant playing time over non academy girls who decided high school soccer was more important to them.
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    GDA Rules state you cannot play academy the same time you play HS. Let alone what a HS/club coach tells you or what the work load may be. Also, CIF rules say once you play in a HS game you cannot play club soccer until the HS season is completed. That's where I'm confused on what Placer told their parents.

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